Turning Nightmares into Narratives featuring Jerome DK

Speaker 1: 0:12

xylophone song fuck, ah sh. Oh Post, what you do know that we have a show to do, right, you can't just be playing. You have no time. I Know we have. We have a lot of time before the show starts. No, we have no time. You have no time. Yes, so I'm playing. I Don't have anywhere else to go with this bit. No, josh, I'm playing. You got no time. Oh, you can't really. You can't see it on the thing here. We'll pretend it's mine. Oh, what are you holding? Oh, is that your legal too? Yes, it is. Oh, yeah, no, I got this. I got this Legion go, so I was. I figured I'd play it. And Just while we're waiting for the show to start, so big a time, no, the show has started. Post, did it yes, look at your god, oh Shit. Okay, hold on Everybody. Welcome to bucket bites, where we have bite-sized bits and discussions, a woman ashery of different topics, and Sometimes, sometimes, we have guests, like today. It's one of those days. Don't talk bigfoot around this guy. He's an artist, designer, he's a filmmaker and he's lost control of his life and where he parked his car. He is Jerome DK Jerome, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3: 1:57

I'm doing jazz hands for myself. Hello, I'll do it with you.

Speaker 1: 2:01

Oh yes, no, welcome, welcome. I appreciate you Accepting my invitation to come on the show, so that that last part of that intro I'll just jump straight into it Was part of a book that you, you, published unfortunately yes. Unfortunately it's called every day is a nightmare, a Trash book by Jerome DK. I don't know if you can see that it has more sadness than leading brands, but On everything I have now.

Speaker 3: 2:37

Really, if you come, if you come to any of the cons that I'm at, there's a giant banner and it says like my name and it says 4% more sadness Plus, like a bunch of little subliminal messages everywhere else. So look out for this.

Speaker 2: 2:49

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 2:50

Yes, I Mean, if I'm spending money on these giant banners, of course I'm gonna put subliminal messages.

Speaker 1: 2:57

So so that's fun but, I want to. I want to ask In your in the past for you and we'll touch a lot about this throughout the show, but you have a background in in art and other things what made you want to and, yes, well, what made you want to publish a book of all things? I?

Speaker 3: 3:20

I was spiraling down a hole of depression. So I guess they came down to I have so many projects on my shelf all the time, like I am addicted to having work constantly thrown at me. So along with my 9-5 job, I have, like I work on like little movies or film projects, or sometimes illustrations or comics, or Sometimes video games. Like I'm working on some other projects right now, but like there's always a handful of things and some of these things Take longer than others to complete, especially if you're doing in film, or sometimes when I'm working in illustration, that takes like if I'm working on a very big piece, I'll spend maybe 40, 60 hours on this very large piece, and I wanted something more Substantial that I could be more proud of. I'm not not saying that I'm not proud of my other things I am very proud of them. But I thought like I have never done a book. I haven't gone down this path yet and I really want to. I have a bunch of other ideas that I've started on. I've even started on other books in the past, but I never really completed them. And I thought, like what when I just start on something a little more basic, something that I really know a lot of, which is basically depression and anxiety. Sure, and this could go very easily for me, or very badly. So I start on these little characters and Testing out this idea that I had and and it started forming into this, I guess, self-release, of basically understanding myself, of what I go through on a daily basis, and I know that a lot of other people also reflect on these certain same issues. I wouldn't call them issues, but I guess quirks. I don't know what you want to call them. Everybody has these things.

Speaker 1: 5:15

I mean, I don't know if everybody gambles a fart and then also poops their pants while shopping.

Speaker 3: 5:21

Oh, there's, there's many, don't worry, they just want to admit to it.

Speaker 1: 5:27

I've got a story, but I'll save that for later.

Speaker 3: 5:31

So this was, yeah, my first dive into actually wanting to publish a book and Falling through for it. And then my, my very good friend, who runs M4 Tournaments and he's doing this whole thing with, like the monkey bucks and like in a couple months, and he was like, hey, we're looking for vendors and stuff. And I'm like, yeah, sure, like say, do you want to be a part of this? Like, if you sign up, I'm like, absolutely, this will get me Fire under my ass to actually finish more of my stuff and then get my because I've always won one in a booth and Start all these other things because I have all this art, just haven't done much with it. So I'm like, fine, I have. I gave myself a three month deadline, which that's how much time I had to write, develop a book, finish and get all my art printed plus banners and booth everything. Like in my other job, I've Done booths before but I've never done it for myself and I know what it takes for it. It's a lot of work. So three months, I said, fuck it, let's go. And it was a very, very, very stressful three months and I got my, my book done and Published my own, all the rights for it and everything. So like it was more of like a Task that can I do, this, you know, proving myself that I could do something like this. And also I wanted to have a book that's not just I guess, how can I put it nonsense, but still has like a purpose into the world. It does show that it's okay to feel this way and I wanted other people to know that it's fine to feel these certain things, because it's really hard to talk about with other you know, adults sometimes because this it is. Yeah so that's my little quick journey. I'm sorry it's kind of babbled on there, for no.

Speaker 1: 7:25

You're good. You answered every single question that I had written today, so we can just end it now.

Speaker 2: 7:30

I think I mean it's good.

Speaker 1: 7:32

That's the greatest interview ever. I'm so good. It's actually like insanely impressive. Like that. You did that all in three months, like like you said, like Setting it out as a challenge to yourself is one thing, but actually like three months is such an Insanely short amount of time that I can only imagine how stressful that became towards the end of it, when when you're in a dark place sometimes and you really need to, I Guess, find ways to release also to kind of citrate yourself from other things are going about.

Speaker 3: 8:11

This was also one of those things where it did help me therapeutically, you know. Obviously the topic of course is anxiety and depression, so it was very easy. But at that same point I had to revisit a lot of those places, of what makes me feel these things and way, and try to find a funny middle ground. Well, try also taking it seriously, because I know this is, you know, maybe a joke, that for me sometimes, but I do have to laugh at my own sadness, which is a lot of people's. You know progress too, but you know it's yeah, I don't get again, I'm just mumbling.

Speaker 2: 8:50

No, you're really not.

Speaker 1: 8:51

Yeah, it's insightful because, like you said, like, like I don't like to use, you know, coping mechanism, but like and we've talked about it on the podcast before I suffer from anxiety and depression myself. So, like it is, it is great, you know, using humor as a way to address that. Like you said, sometimes it's hard to talk about these kinds of things, even as adults. So, like, using humor to address that is one thing, but also to Tap into it as a creative endeavor, like that, as a way to not only I don't want to say deal with it, but a way to kind of approach it or a way to face it.

Speaker 3: 9:25

Yeah, almost expressing.

Speaker 1: 9:27

Yeah, there you go, perfect. And and also to others, you know, because obviously people who have never met you are gonna read this and that's gonna be their impression of your experience. So that's really cool that you were able to Use that as a creative outlet, but also again in three months, like that's so Impressive.

Speaker 3: 9:47

I appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker 1: 9:49

It resonated with me enough to be like dude. I want to talk to this guy on my podcast and get to know where this comes from, because that, like you it's true, you, you, some of the best art is all reflections or it comes from deep within and you're just trying to get it out and I'm trying to think of the words and I can't. But that's what you did here and you did it in such a way that it is incredibly relatable. Other, every page in here every page in this book someone can relate with and. No, you did a great job and I. It's funny because I, when I bought this book, I Thought it would be funny to Give it to my daughter. Yeah, okay and Well, cuz I. I didn't know what what it was about. I didn't know what was in it, right?

Speaker 3: 10:51

Well, I'm just curious about she's 13. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, All right.

Speaker 1: 10:55

So like she's actually like perfect for this, actually, cuz it's it's written in such a way where it's not like dark, it's all relatable and it's all things that real everyone, that people just in general, deal with on the daily.

Speaker 3: 11:09

I Kind of looked at it as the approach of like you have. We have the book called everybody's poops. Right, Everybody does poop, but also everybody does feel anxiety and depression. Yes, they do so, and yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry, I don't know. No worries, I. I think I just the reason why I did the character that way. I wanted to make him very soft and kind of squishy and Almost vulnerable, but at that same time, like each page with the illustrations with him, I want to make it very digestible at that same time, where you can approach it and go yes, I feel what is happening here and I can also reflect back onto it, like even if, like my mother, this book and she did not actually understand that I felt this way because she lives in a different time period where you just kind of block these things off and I'm not talking down on that generation or anything like that's just how things are. She didn't know. So this actually opened up a whole new door of Conversation About how I feel, and so when she read it, we talked for about literally an hour and a half about certain things, about emotions, and like she would go to a page like so you felt this way, I'm, like I did feel this way and I feel like it's. It goes right back to like when a child has goes to therapy and they have to draw a picture and they're like I feel sad today, or I feel this today and I think we forget that sometimes adults need the same kind of connection Between this and that's why I drew it kind of like a children's book, like it's a very, very simple but at that same point, like you know, this is very kind of adult material. But I don't think I don't kind of like in the Ninja Turtles and the old night was a 1989 film you don't treat your audience dumb, like it's very deep, dark material but still a children's contact and they don't play their audience dumb. And that still resonated me to like learn from that to never treat my audience dumb. And because they will feel the same things I feel so I Don't know.

Speaker 1: 13:34

This. Huh, it's it. This is refreshing Just to hear, like usually it's Logan on the show who's kind of breathing this kind of I wish, I actually really wish he was here right now to be part of this conversation. Cuz, cuz, like you said early on, you like the self deprecating humor. You got to laugh at yourself, right? Well, that's, that's something I have a really bad habit of doing, and Logan absolutely hates it, and it's not like that. I'm trying to put myself down right. It's more so like a release of me. Just, you know, you, just it's a release.

Speaker 3: 14:16

Make fun of my own breath size every day. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1: 14:19

You say your breath size. I haven't checked mine lately.

Speaker 3: 14:21

Oh, they're about a, d, that's pretty good. Yeah Well, that's impressive.

Speaker 1: 14:26

That's impressive. I did want to ask you just one last thing on the book. Well, there's a couple things on the book, but I absolutely ask throughout throughout the book it progressively gets darker and I'm assuming that's on purpose by design. Yeah is it? Is it because it's part of the story? Is it? Is it let?

Speaker 2: 14:47

Trying to put this in a word here Go ahead, I think you know what I'm trying to ask.

Speaker 3: 14:51

Yes, no, it is done by design specifically when writing this all out, I I, everything that I work on, has to have extra layers to things. Because if I want extra layers to like, say, adventure time, because I love adventure time there's so many things going on. I love that show for reasons I like to have incorporate all the things I love and reasons why things I love into the things that I do. So when I'm writing even a simple book like this, I want to make sure there's a little added layers to read into. So if you say, if you go on page third, I think it's 15. That's like slap dab right in the middle of the book.

Speaker 1: 15:31

Day 15 or page 15 day 15.

Speaker 3: 15:34

I believe day 15 because it goes on a month, so it's 30 days.

Speaker 1: 15:37

Oh yeah, and it like flips around flips up to that down.

Speaker 3: 15:42

So at that point he is. Adjusting he talks about medication and everything is upside down and he's adjusting. It doesn't mean that medication works or it doesn't work for others. That's a whole other topic that I don't want to touch. But either way he was having problems adjusting to his medications and at that point time in that book Everything becomes harder for him to adjust into the world because of the medications, you know, disrupting everything else in his world.

Speaker 1: 16:11

Wow, I love that. It's this whole, the whole topic. It's funny because it does, to a degree, feel not taboo, but it's just people don't talk.

Speaker 2: 16:27

Yeah, nobody, and and.

Speaker 1: 16:30

You know and like for me, like I think Bucket bites is kind of a therapy for myself in a way. It's kind of a selfish type thing for me to just go and talk and Say what I need to say sometimes and Well, it's just, you know, just reflecting back on it, and you know you got a release and yeah, this book was it's, it's beautiful in a lot of ways are to artistically and just the progression of the story, and it's been a while since I read it, admittedly. So I apologize, but I'm fine we actually we actually read this In a in our car. My wife was going through it reading it to us in a car to one of my daughter's basketball games. We would have like 45 minute drives, yeah. So that was the first time we read it. It came it can't got delivered right before we left. So this is very impressive. I wanted to ask you and Josh I'm sorry if I'm blocking you off from asking some questions- it's blocking you, dude, sorry. That's what I always do. Oh no, Josh is muted. You can't hear him, sorry. Yeah, go ahead, I will pop in when I need to.

Speaker 2: 17:45

I'm listening Okay, I.

Speaker 1: 17:48

Did want to ask you. Just by happenstance, our last guest actually was also an author and he owns a bookstore in Kenosha. Oh, oh so I I was curious is your book like published in stores? Play in places like it is?

Speaker 3: 18:07

as of right now, it's only published through Amazon, but if he is looking for copies, I could probably give him copies.

Speaker 1: 18:16

No, I think, I think it'd be cool, for That'd be a cool connection to make, just because I know his name, donovan. He's a. He's a good dude, so, and he's really good at supporting local authors and artists and he's all he's both. He's like I'm not kidding, he's just like. It's just so funny how Two guests in a row just happen to be like under that same realm.

Speaker 2: 18:40

Yeah, you know it's really cool.

Speaker 1: 18:43

So Going going from one One extreme to another. I need to ask you about nerf wars.

Speaker 3: 18:53

Jesus.

Speaker 1: 18:57

Just completely, just flip that switch. I need to know.

Speaker 3: 19:01

What about nerf wars? Do you want to know?

Speaker 1: 19:04

Number one. Okay, my first question, and this is actually Josh, you could, you could? I don't know if you've seen these videos at all. Can video so explain the nerf wars videos to us first?

Speaker 3: 19:16

Okay. So I think that was like 17 years ago when my mic here, when YouTube was just first coming out and I just got one of my first camcorders and I was really just kind of testing it out and I grabbed my brother and we started testing around some like stupid shots with a puppet and a Nerf gun and we thought that was funny and we showed it to our friends and they were laughing about it, like let's do a bigger one, like Hell, yeah, let's do that. So we follow the weekend, we film some weird shit and and we just kind of ablabd everything. But since I know Some what of a wear-up like camera, camera should be placed and whatever, and some editing, so it kind of does look amateurish but at the same time it does look they know what they're doing in the background, because we're just still having fun. So it took me about a week to edit and then just kind of figuring out what it was, but it was still kind of. I used to call them epic home movies, because they're just little home movies that we're just fucking around with our friends and family, so it's nothing big. And we threw that online and, yes, I think right now it's about 20 million views or something like that, and it kind of had it took a life its own and it became this own little monster of like these nerf movies and I don't know renaissance of nerf videos or whatever. And I think I was like one of the first just to kind of make these like stupid action Nerf parodies, and then we just kind of kept on going with it and then I know it spawned a bunch of culture on YouTube after that and at that point I was in college and I'm like I don't have time to keep on doing yeah, I have other shit to do. It's not that I was not interested. I was always interested to do like Action or horror or whatever like that, because that shit was fun. Like editing is my jam and that's where I really got to learn the core principles of what editing takes and Is, because, like doing basic action flicks and you're like, oh, I need this, I need XYZ. It's like a bunch of puzzle pieces that you just need. And then now I have a whole bunch more respect for Michael Bay and his crap.

Speaker 1: 21:36

I was gonna say it, so I did rewatch At least the first one, just to prepare for this, and I was watching it and it does feel like it's shot by an editor, because you are so good at getting like the close-ups that you need and the coverage that you need Like and for, especially because, like you can imagine how young you were at the time yeah, I was amateur, yeah, but it's still like I could tell, like it's shot by somebody who has an eye for the editing side of things, because you do get all of like the shots that you need that you wouldn't think about in that context of like a, you know, I a YouTube video in 20, whatever that was a lot of it actually came Because I studied prior to that in high school is stop motion animation.

Speaker 3: 22:20

So when you're in the studio doing one frame at a time, one frame, one frame. Okay, now we're here, where he's gonna be next into the site. So I'm there maybe 80 hours doing like this two-minute animation. So it really Like, I guess, framed my mind of how these things are going to work in the long run and I really need to think ahead like 20,000 steps when things are gonna go. So when I was outside shooting this action sequence, it all Reapplied to this. So like, oh, we're here, we need to go over here. All right, we're over here now, where's gonna go over here? Okay, then we deal with this. Okay, how's it gonna look over here? So we just it goes one step to another step, to another step to another step, to another puzzle and puzzle puzzle. I want to get all the puzzle pieces together and then I re-edit it all together again. So it was basically just a mess. A much faster version of a stop motion animation.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Well, and, and so I'm gonna I'm gonna get a little weird and go to. I also watched a video that you made about your love for the Duke Nukem franchise.

Speaker 3: 23:23

Oh, 25 years of Duke Nukem.

Speaker 1: 23:25

Yes, and in that video you had mentioned how you discovered like army of darkness through. You know that connection through parody and so. I guess what I'm wondering is you know cuz cuz, at least evil dead, and To a certain extent you know army of darkness, even though that was through a studio. But like there's that indie mindset, that DIY mindset, did that contribute to your own?

Speaker 3: 23:52

Oh god, yeah. That's what I figured you, you use whatever you have in the basement and whatever Family or friends are willing to deal with your shit. That's the mentality, so, like when we're looking for to like I got make a little action sequence we can't use real guns. We had, like you know, bb guns and stuff, but we didn't want to use that because we're outside and we don't want to freak anybody out. You, know, ever since. Hold up no 9-11 thing. That it was just no. We're not doing that shit. We're not gonna freak any with neighbors out because we got a bunch of old people and they'll they'll call the cops on us. Nerf guns are bright and yellow. This is totally safe and I Thought, whatever we use, whatever the hell we have and it's, we're just having fun and that's why I called them a little epic home movies, because we're just kids in the backyard Dicking around who cares?

Speaker 1: 24:44

And I love that mindset because I feel like there's a there's a fine line with the amateur Filmographer where it's either you take it way too seriously or you understand exactly what it is like. We're just having fun. We could still put a lot of work into this, we can still be really proud of the product, but, yeah, we're just having fun and I love that you capture that with, and I think that's why a lot of people Responded to it the way they did and why it has 20 million views is because a lot of people I'm sure watched it went oh man, that's something that anybody could have made, but they made it and you could tell they're enjoying it. You could see the passion that they're putting into it and I think that that reflects.

Speaker 3: 25:22

Even now, however, many years later, when I watched it, I am still getting little personal messages every now and then, going like dude. This is when YouTube peaked. I'm like like cool, I think it's more like less of the nobody's Purposely good into going to try to get views there YouTube back then you're just uploading to have fun and not giving a shit, like when I uploaded that I was just using like the coolest song in my MP3 player.

Speaker 2: 25:49

I'm like I like this song this week.

Speaker 3: 25:50

I just throw that on there, but as of like now, like I don't get any residuals off that or any like money because I Used copyrighted material, but back then that wasn't a thing you just threw in, whatever the fuck you want. I mean, if I would have known now, I probably would have changed the music just so I can get some money off it. Well, that's okay.

Speaker 1: 26:14

That goes to the question I wanted to ask is that was very much in YouTube's golden age. So, to speak, you know, in quotations. Can a video like that succeed on today's YouTube?

Speaker 3: 26:28

God, no, hell, no. First off, it would be copyright claim taken down and if it does go through the leaks, it will go into obscurity With, like the other thousands of videos that get a little uploaded every minute and it's like if you're not that top 1% Like in society, you're not gonna get noticed.

Speaker 1: 26:48

I was gonna say you, you would have to make it less than seven seconds long and yeah, it would be.

Speaker 3: 26:53

It would be popular for about five minutes until the algorithm forgets it and then I Mean I've tried other video projects, which I don't mind doing because, like, I'm just doing them for me, for fun, because that's what they always should be is for your own Fun and enjoyment, because that's what it. But if you're going into YouTube Wanting to, I guess, be famous, I mean you're gonna have to do things that you know or want to do, like you're gonna have to push yourself to levels and say things that are just horrible and like it's like you're gonna become a different person. At that time You're basically become a parasite of the system. Anyways, I digress.

Speaker 1: 27:31

Successful on YouTube. You're a real piece of shit. That's what I hear. That's what I hear you looking for your plaque.

Speaker 3: 27:45

Let me see that plaque, let me see that black. You got it.

Speaker 1: 27:50

The cord.

Speaker 2: 27:53

Hey.

Speaker 3: 27:55

Nice, very nice.

Speaker 1: 27:56

Yeah, you can see the next one here oh million, but that's not gonna happen Um there's a dense. I know you see it.

Speaker 3: 28:05

Oh, yeah, yeah, Okay, I can see it.

Speaker 1: 28:07

I threw a flashlight and I didn't intend to hit my wall, but I did. Of course, there's one thing hanging on my wall and it hit it.

Speaker 2: 28:18

It's the classic, Literally I was working on something.

Speaker 1: 28:21

I just like toss the flashlight, just like to get it out of my way and, of course, yeah what was your first big successful video that just kind of took everything off. Um, so we had done With suggestive gaming. We did like let's play stuff. Okay which obviously we were very small fish in a very large pond and One of the members of suggestive gaming at the time we were three members Was like hey, a great idea would be like making Like a story summary for a game franchise where, like a new game, installments coming out and. Around. That same time on, charted four was coming out. So I was like all right, well, I'll do the enchanted series and we. I did the first one and it did like a Hundred times or more better than any other video We've ever done. It was like, all right, well, I guess that's the direction of the channel now there you go yeah and yeah that's seven years later, I'm still doing them. Hell yeah, dude.

Speaker 3: 29:24

And I'm the only one. Thank you, you're the only one left.

Speaker 1: 29:27

Which goes to show how fun these videos are to make.

Speaker 3: 29:32

It is a slide dude, like if you're going through that grind, like I respect the grind, I do.

Speaker 1: 29:39

We got to go back earlier than that, josh. Yeah, oh, that's true, we we had a machinima.

Speaker 3: 29:47

Yes, you guys are part of machinima. Yes, we were, yeah, oh boy, how do we get a?

Speaker 1: 29:51

decent, I mean so really so yeah the thing is, we were not our channel was not owned by machinima. Those were the people that got screwed over. Yeah, we produced content for machinima like to put on their channel, so okay. I get you actually, yeah, we, we got Kind of unscathed. Yeah yeah, that was nice, that was. That was good times. We had to follow three machinima called thrown out. There's other language dubbed over versions of it out there still on YouTube somewhere. Yeah, you cannot find an official version anymore because machinima wiped all of their old partner stuff, but Maybe one day you'll all see it. Yeah that's pretty cool, though yeah, no, there's good times.

Speaker 3: 30:33

Josh did all the work.

Speaker 1: 30:33

I just Sat there and I watched him smash his keyboard. Good times, good time. Could you believe, I threw a.

Speaker 2: 30:43

Flashlight at my wall and that's that's.

Speaker 1: 30:44

I was gonna say I'm like something's never changed. Yeah, it's just something's never changed. That's great. Um, I wanted to just kind of throw it back real quick to the beginning of the episode, just because I feel like I didn't give it enough time. But Couple months ago we had a guest on the show. I guest on the show With the company lion blossom studios. He released the game that came out yesterday and that's kind of what I was playing in the beginning. It's called you have no time and, uh, just in case that was that didn't come across clear, I just wanted to kind of get that out there. Uh, just because that came out and it's actually a really fun little puzzle game where you play as a pirate trying to get treasure. So just wanted to throw it out there. So it's out on steam. It's uh, it's on sale for its release week Uh, yeah, three dollars. So go check it out. Yeah, it's low, low investment cost, actually a lot of fun. It reminds me of, uh, when so A lot of the fun is trying to beat your friend's high scores in it. So it reminds me a lot of like when josh and I used to play trials and there's the mini game where you would get the most broken bones. You know, to keep a record of your friends list then who had the most broken bones on, whatever, and it was a good time. I'm still winning, by the way. I launched it the other day, did you? I'm not even yes, and I tried to get close to my high score. I couldn't even get like within a hundred of where.

Speaker 2: 32:05

I was, oh, I I.

Speaker 1: 32:07

I was still beating you and that's all it made me happy. How much by I might, I might have to go boot up, I don't.

Speaker 2: 32:12

I don't, I'm gonna go boot up.

Speaker 1: 32:13

I'm gonna go boot. It's evolution, right, trials, evolution, no trials. Hd the first one, hd the first one. Okay, I want to check it out. Oh so, uh, but I was playing that. Um, you have no time on, I had just gotten the new here. I'll grab mine too, but, um, just because I I have not had one yet, and, josh, we talked about this in the past I actually stopped the game up. Um, lenovo Legion go. So it's kind of like your steam deck or your rog ally. So you've got all of them.

Speaker 2: 32:43

You've got the holy trinity, I've got a steam deck I've gotten now I know I have a yeah, now I have a Legion.

Speaker 1: 32:49

go and um, um, they just announced and I'll soon have a steam deck. Oh led Jesus, it's. I have to ask because I did not look into this and and and drum. Feel free to chime in as you wish here, don't worry, but Just, is there anything um mechanically or that that's gonna be better outside of just the OLED screen? Yes, so battery life is better by like five hours, I think they said. Did they say? I thought it was only, I thought it was okay, like on the high end?

Speaker 2: 33:32

like okay.

Speaker 1: 33:33

Okay, yeah, yeah, and like I just, and that's just because the uh, um, the, what is it? The? So see, um, I forget what it's called, but essentially the chip smaller, so it's more efficient, sure, gotcha. So the battery life will be better. You might get a little better performance, but not by a lot. Okay, so it's basically just like going from a switch to a switch, old led pretty much.

Speaker 2: 34:02

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3: 34:04

I'm not getting one. I'm just waiting until Steam releases like their fourth or fifth version. Like same thing with their VR. Like I have their newest VR. I'm like that one's good. I like that. The index, yeah, like that's fantastic. But I waited because I know, like the more test developments and more people that buy, I'm like I know that this is just Part of the process and I have to be patient.

Speaker 1: 34:28

So I will say, like I have no come, I I have no buyers remorse for my steam deck. Like it, it is an amazing product. I think they knocked it out of the park, out of the gate. Yeah, I wish they waited a little bit longer for an OLED because, like as an early adopter, I'm like, oh okay, if I would have waited a year, I'd have an OLED version, because that's my only complaint about all of these devices that you mentioned post. Yeah, none of them are OLED, none of them are HDR. Fair enough, fair enough it. Do you think it's just another case of planned obsolescence? No, I think it was to cut costs initially and now that displays are cheaper, here we are. Yeah, because I remember like all these came out I don't know if I'm going to be able to get it out Right post covid, when getting displays was a little bit harder and now getting displays is a lot easier, so here we are. Yeah, okay, I agree with that Do you do you have any handhelds trump? Oh, yeah, I have a gameboy color right here. Yes, oh, I didn't even think about it. I have to go legally. I have to go and legally find all of my old psp games that I used to play in high school. Why's that? I, because I have something that is basically like a psp now, but just like a lot bigger. Oh yeah, yeah, you can. You can play all of those on there. Yeah, legally, 100 legally.

Speaker 3: 35:54

Oh, totally.

Speaker 1: 35:55

Yeah, you wouldn't do it any other way. I mean, why would you do that you would? Speaking of psps, can I share a little experience of mine recently? Absolutely yes. So I bought a psp go from my buddy years ago and, uh, just last week I ordered two mods for it. I put a blue shell on it. Oh, and that's actually kind of sexy and I like it a lot. And then I I put in a larger memory Because, like, they only support up to 32 gig sticks, I think, and those are like 300 dollars because they were proprietary. Yeah, because Sony's fucking great like that exactly so you can mod in just like a thing that works with uh micro sd.

Speaker 3: 36:34

Oh, thank god.

Speaker 1: 36:35

Now I've got a hundred and uh 28 gigs on here for like five dollars and I just had to open it up.

Speaker 2: 36:42

Hell yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:43

That's my first time I've ever like successfully opened up a council and swapped a shell and nothing is fucked up. So I'm very proud of myself because I've tried it before and either like one of the buttons doesn't work or like the membrane got a little misaligned.

Speaker 3: 36:57

So like you push one button and it presses four. So I got it myself. Oh, I gotta Vita right behind me. I've been wired them on it Just because, like, obviously they've so many forgot about it and they don't give a shit about it anymore. And because, like, I even bought like all my games legitimately, but now all those legitimate games I buy are not supported anymore. And now they crash right in the middle. I'm like why, why the fuck? And like I understand they stop support, but I'm like at least have the games that already were on here, why, I don't understand why they stopped working.

Speaker 1: 37:31

Yeah, but they just like they just they're just like. We don't want to have these servers up anymore. Screw you guys. So I will say like me off. The one nice thing is Vitas are so easy to soft mod. Yeah, it's, it's like three seconds and you like you have to do it now, like in order to use a Vita. So at least it's easy.

Speaker 3: 37:51

Yeah, like I didn't want to go there up because I'm like as much as I want, I will try to give whatever Supported my money, yep. But like, for some odd reasons, sony just likes like fucking me, I don't understand. I'm like buddy, I want to give you money. They're like no, no, no, no, no, we don't want that, fuck you.

Speaker 1: 38:10

And I'll say it like and and I don't mean this from like any kind of racial point of view, just from a cultural point of view. Like Japanese video game companies are a lot like that, like Nintendo's the same way oh god, it's just like. It's like once we're once we've sold you this product, once like fuck you, it's over, like we don't care about preservation whatsoever. So Sony is is a little bit better than Nintendo in that fact, but Nintendo's by far the worst, I try they like like Microsoft is fantastic with all their backwards compatibility stuff.

Speaker 3: 38:43

I, that's why I think that's why I got by Xbox series X right away, just because all my games just came over, like I didn't have to worry about that. And like and I do like we were just talking about that earlier how I want to mod my original X, original Xbox, like that's not everything is on there, but they have a very good portion of their library that I, like on the Xbox series X are ready to go. So I'm like even I'll buy those digitally again just because of convenience. And like I pay the five bucks on sale like I don't care. Like yeah, that's awesome, but yeah, nintendo, just I'm still waiting for like a handful of Nintendo 64 games on the Nintendo switch online, which I also hate. Like this is released a what was it cruising USA? They own cruising USA and they don't put it on there.

Speaker 1: 39:32

Nintendo cruising USA.

Speaker 3: 39:34

Nintendo owns the cruise and franchise. Really, yes, they do I thought that was no.

Speaker 1: 39:40

No, I thought it was okay. Well, forgive me, I'm proving wrong.

Speaker 3: 39:43

But I guarantee you, because that was one of those things, when I bought Bruzin blast a couple years ago for my birthday and I found out that they hired a company what was it brought Roth rills to hire because they owned the rights to cruise and they just hired somebody else to make, and I'm like Holy shit, I didn't know that. So yeah, yeah, but we can't have it on any other system.

Speaker 1: 40:08

Yeah, wow because. Yeah, that's interesting because midway developed it back in the day, which I remember, the arcade machines.

Speaker 3: 40:17

Yep William games.

Speaker 1: 40:17

I have do have the original marquees but Nintendo has the publishing rights since cruising USA, which was the first one. So yeah, wow, that's interesting. I never knew that Nintendo had their hands in that pot. Yeah, I guess it makes sense why there was never cruising on PlayStation or anything. Yeah, hmm, can just cuz like 30 seconds ago, can, while we're pooping on Sony for a minute, just just just so I can get my one shot. I saw something on Twitter today. I'm glad I found it again, but did you know that? Format.

Speaker 2: 40:50

The s5.

Speaker 1: 40:51

I'm sorry, the yeah X. Thank you on X, that's still so much.

Speaker 2: 41:04

Shitter you can't even.

Speaker 1: 41:05

You can't even be a Twitter shitter anymore, you're just. Oh, that's true, that was always my thing. I know that. Anyways, formatting the memory on the ps5 slim apparently will unregister the detachable Distrive with a fuss. Yeah, I just saw that today. I'm like what so? I get this to an extent. I get it. It's a DRM thing, yeah, but it needs an internet connection anyways, doesn't it? Yeah, the detachable disk drive is a tap, basically like linked to your account for so like. So, for example, if I put a ps5 game into my Blu-ray player on my computer, it can't read it. Yeah, like there's certain encryption things going on, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 41:57

So when they?

Speaker 1: 41:58

when they had the, the disk drive in the ps5, that's, you know, hardwired to the ps5, like that's okay, it's tied to this counsel, all right, there's our DRM, right, but with these removable ones, so now it's like all right, well, you can hot swap these drives all over the place, so we need to tie it to a I guess I Don't want to say decryption key, because that's gonna be like simplifying it in a way that's counterintuitive, but like, essentially, they need a way to make sure it's legitimately attached to a PlayStation and is Authorized.

Speaker 2: 42:39

I see what they're run a game.

Speaker 1: 42:41

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, cuz you could. You could buy dummies, basically. Right, something like that or something face it to a PC somehow, and, oh no, not making your games more accessible to other people. I'm just kidding. Well, you know, and this is the. This is what we're talking about with the Vita, though when is? Yeah, what hadn't been hacked to you know, high heavens, we wouldn't be able to play Vita games anymore, like we just wouldn't. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 43:08

Yeah, yeah, no, this is true, that's that's what reminded me.

Speaker 1: 43:11

That's what reminded me, so I had to look it up while you guys were discussing that this is why I Like I can talk about how much I understand these things, but I also hate them because, yeah, future proofing, it's like All right Well yeah that's rough. It's nobody cares about preservation man, no, it's okay. Yeah, well, and then everyone used to shit on Xbox for just requiring an internet connection to play your games.

Speaker 2: 43:34

Which is still kind of stupid dude. That's still this one thing ever. I'm just saying.

Speaker 1: 43:38

I'm just saying it doesn't get any better. I don't care who you are, what company are. It doesn't get any better from anybody.

Speaker 3: 43:46

So Xbox TV.

Speaker 1: 43:48

Ah, xbox TV.

Speaker 3: 43:50

Xbox TV. Okay, do you remember this? So Somebody did a quick cut when that whole presentation came out during E3 and they go Xbox TV, xbox TV, tv, tv, tv, tv, tv, tv, tv, tv, tv. It was just like a half hour cuts of just saying Xbox TV, because they weren't promoting games anymore.

Speaker 1: 44:09

They got you. It was all about this thing being an entertainment device and not a gaming console.

Speaker 3: 44:14

They missed a mark on the marketing completely like, wow, you guys are fucking crap. Read the room.

Speaker 1: 44:20

Well, they paid for it. They paid for it.

Speaker 3: 44:22

They did, certainly did, they did so.

Speaker 1: 44:25

Doesn't mean I didn't like having the input HDMI on my system, cuz I used to sit out on your original Xbox one. Yeah, yeah. Well, even on my project Scorpio, it's still had it on there, the 1x, not the series, but the. They still had it on the 1x. Oh, it did, it did still have it, you're right.

Speaker 2: 44:43

Yeah, so, and I still.

Speaker 1: 44:45

I still use it to this day. So Fair enough, man, but they took away the whole TV snapping thing. They where you could play, like have the TV up in one end and like. They took that away and I'm like that was like the best fucking thing is my favorite.

Speaker 2: 44:56

I remember taking that was the only purpose for that?

Speaker 1: 44:59

HDMI in? Well, yeah, well, yeah, big yeah, for sure, for sure. I remember taking a picture one day I was playing Madden while watching the Packer game. I'm like, oh, look at me, I could play the game.

Speaker 2: 45:11

I'm watching it.

Speaker 1: 45:22

See, if you said that joke like five years ago, I'd be like haha, that's funny, but now it digs a lot deeper. But okay, so, jerome, I want to. I want to go back to you a little bit here, just because we kind of took a sidebar. That's okay, we're, you're you know we are going to. This is all about you. Okay, calm down, You're getting me.

Speaker 2: 45:52

Speaking of getting me.

Speaker 1: 45:54

You were talking about a conference that you're invited to go to. I'm assuming you're talking about C3, yep, so the one with the box the cream city conversions. Yeah, so who actually who's who's behind that? Is that the Milwaukee eSports?

Speaker 3: 46:12

Yes there's one sports, and then there's m4 and I think there's somebody else. They don't quote me, like I wish my buddy Josh was here. He can probably give you a list of names.

Speaker 1: 46:26

A lot of names, though, um.

Speaker 3: 46:32

He. I know my buddy Josh. I grew up with him, I went to college with him and he. We've done a lot of projects together and this was one where he was very passionate about Basically fighting games and like Tekken and Smash Brothers and all these other things and he said, fuck it, we don't have Fighting the scene tournaments in Milwaukee. I'm gonna make one, god damn it. And he did. He spent a lot of his own money, a lot of his own time, weekends, like dude, years he spent on this. Like I can't tell you how proud I am just to be his friend and like going to these things and just watching work and just he's dedicated so much blood, sweat and tears into this and after all that hard work, he's finally Gotten like a little. Following that how could I put it? Like somebody came out a years ago I don't know remember who it was, but they, like you, have to earn their trust. Anything of this community, oh, okay, yeah. And Because, like, people come in they want to do, they want to make a quick buck, but Josh wasn't there to make a quick buck, he just wanted to have a community and I think he found his people and it's and it's been growing ever since and you know he's been making more ties with a bunch of other people, especially the the Milwaukee I'm sorry I forgot the sports. Yeah, the Milwaukee eSports Alliance. There's just a bunch of them.

Speaker 1: 47:56

Yeah, and I was just lucky enough to be like, riding my bus, my best friend's coattails Like yeah, that's fine, okay, cool, yeah, that's fine with me.

Speaker 3: 48:07

So what I'm doing? Yeah, there's.

Speaker 1: 48:09

I'm noticing a pattern. Your best friend knows, josh, is the world needs more of them, exactly. Oh man, no, I was. I was curious about that because the for C3, I know that later on this. Actually, josh, I don't know if I told you this yet even, but sometime next year we're gonna have one of the the head honchos at the Milwaukee eSports Alliance on the show. So to kind of talk about what they're doing, I just apparently flickered and died.

Speaker 3: 48:47

I got to. So thank you, yep, we're all got a one the kitty.

Speaker 1: 48:53

So while we're looking at that I did want to, or while I fix that, excuse me. I do want to mention if anybody out in the twitch chat land has any questions for our guest, please feel free to ask it in chat and we'll relay the question along, but if you don't, we in which as well. Oh my goodness, oh yeah, oh yeah, we're live right now. I did. Maybe I should have told you that. That's fine I.

Speaker 3: 49:22

Don't care. I drink a bucket of I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1: 49:28

No, we're good, we're good, it's right, we're, we're good. Yeah, I'm gonna have to work on getting this fix. It's not a bucket bites podcast without shit going around, I tellin you no, and it's only on your side. It's Like we have trees fall on your fucking internet connection. So, oh my god, I'm gonna freeze again. It's gonna crash again. Is that what's gonna happen?

Speaker 2: 49:53

It's, it's absolute best. It's the absolute best.

Speaker 3: 49:57

I'm looking at all your stuff into background. Josh, I see, like some South Park dolls, are those like the original ones from the mid 90s? No, they're new ones that from somewhere.

Speaker 1: 50:08

I don't even know. I got it. I'm like a notorious Instagram ad. Okay, we're like I'll see an Instagram ad. I'm like I need that and I'll buy that.

Speaker 3: 50:18

Oh, my life savings on this garbage, of course, yeah, you're welcome. No, that was just something recently I saw and I was like oh, I have four boys from South Park. I had two of them. I lost them in a flood, unfortunately.

Speaker 1: 50:34

I had the original Kenny back in the day. Yeah, with like the head came off.

Speaker 3: 50:40

Mine didn't. It was like I don't know, it was before it became creative.

Speaker 1: 50:44

So yeah, mine had like the head came off, but it was like there was like a string in it, so like you wouldn't lose the head, and it was like it was like blood. It was really cool. I love men tree they're so fucking great, the best. Hey, josh, yeah, do you want to grab the bucket? And while you're grabbing the bucket, yeah, this is gonna take you a minute. While you're grabbing, okay, let's grab the thing out of the.

Speaker 2: 51:11

I was gonna say I already got them Alright.

Speaker 1: 51:15

That worked perfectly. We're gonna be playing two games today.

Speaker 2: 51:19

I don't know if I told you that, jerome.

Speaker 1: 51:21

I just threw the bucket and I hit the plaque again. I just fucking pulled it.

Speaker 3: 51:27

It turned into a dartboard at this point.

Speaker 1: 51:30

Yeah, why not? That's great. Alright, so we have two games we're gonna be playing and, jerome, I'll let you pick which one we're gonna play first. Okay, we have a game called Review Bites, which is basically a game where I'm gonna read off a list of Steam reviews. It's games. Specifically, they're on Steam only and you'll have a couple of guesses to figure out what the game is.

Speaker 3: 51:55

Okay, I like that. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 51:56

The other one. The other one is called Real or Fake, and the way it would work today is I have video games that are either. I will read the title of the game and the premise of the game and you have to guess if it's real or if it's fake.

Speaker 3: 52:15

Let's start with that one.

Speaker 1: 52:16

I like that you want to start with that one? All right, so with that one. So we're gonna play a real or fake. We're gonna play real or fake. And While bucket bot goes and compiles this for us, I do want to mention that you can save a hundred and fifty dollars off of a custom PC build at dark fusion systems. Great guys, great people, go to dark fusion systemscom. They're building Josh another computer right now. I think actually at the at the moment. In four days I think I should have it oh, very excited with a full 40 founders edition. They're fitting into their little cases. So that just goes to show the magic that these guys work. Daddy like yeah, so drum if you don't, if you've never heard of these guys before. By the way, they're Milwaukee based. Cool so they're really cool. I met them at Midwest Gaming Classic and they make boutique Mini ITX PCs cool and yeah, they have a lot of really cool they, they, they're great. So I Don't want to spend too much time, because we always tend to like freaking Spurt all over the place when we talk about them, so I'm gonna move on but they really are great. They're the best. No, like it's. I'm not even joking. I actually just went to a concert with the owner of dark fusions yesterday.

Speaker 2: 53:35

And I.

Speaker 1: 53:35

I don't even want to say where I went with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, bucket bites meetup number two coming up in a week. But anyways you, yeah, if you're in the Milwaukee area and you're a fan of bucket bites, make sure you get on our discord and learn about our meetups, because, oh boy, do they get wild, the special one be there. Jerry, I'll get. I'll give you the deeds after the show. Um, no worries, but okay. So here we go, real or fake. I've got 10 games, real or fake, and who wants to go first? Each of you will get five. I will let the guests go first.

Speaker 3: 54:12

Yeah, let me go first, See, ya'll study.

Speaker 1: 54:15

All right, so I'm gonna give you the name of the game and then read a premise of what the game is about, and then you just simply have to tell me if it's real or fake. Okay, okay. Simple enough factor.

Speaker 3: 54:28

Fiction with Jonathan Frank's.

Speaker 1: 54:30

Basically okay, basically All right. The game number one is called Sir whoop ass, immortal death. This game. This game contains puns, dad jokes and flappy bird, like mini games breaking the fourth wall. Do not play it if you hate fun.

Speaker 3: 54:50

I'm gonna have to say that's real, unfortunately.

Speaker 1: 54:56

Is it real? It is.

Speaker 3: 55:01

Because that sounds like some like what do I want to do to make money trash?

Speaker 1: 55:08

Yes, so these, yes, perfect, all right, josh. Yes, are you ready? I'm as ready as I'll ever be, buddy, all right. This game is called Neco arena. This game is you? Join our Neco girls in an epic arena. Fight on their secret cute island in the middle of the ocean. Real, that is real. Oh, we're using the sound alerts now. Someone ban this man. I'm just kidding. That was good. Yeah, that's. I guess that's a good point. Huh, all right. The next one, this game, german. You ready? Yep, I'm assuming I am ready. This game is called quantum quack, quacka, quantum quacka quest.

Speaker 3: 56:10

You know how to pronounce your own this up.

Speaker 1: 56:13

It's quantum I don't know what this word is. Quote q, u, o, k, k a Quacka quest. And it's an interim, an interdimensional adventure with quantum physicist Professor pausing tin, time travels through quantum realms, solving various puzzles and defeating the evil chaos. Chameleon I.

Speaker 3: 56:36

Want to say it's real, because you were confused by it.

Speaker 1: 56:42

And this one is I just want to say you can't, you can't Pretend to not know how to pronounce things. I didn't know how to pronounce it that was so the title, so the title. The title was chat GPT generated Of course, it was okay, I had a chat GPT for all your show prep. I know, no, no, I only for some titles, only for some titles. Okay, josh, are you ready? Sure, all right. This game is called walk of duty. In this game, you take the role of master chef wielding a walk in this isometric dual stick fighter. I Want it to be real. So bad, so I'm gonna say real. That's fake, man I was. Can somebody if anybody is listening to this, either now or 12 years in the future, I don't care Can somebody make walk of duty?

Speaker 3: 57:52

I would play that trash.

Speaker 1: 57:54

I would. You should have heard me giggle, so that one was all me and you should have heard me giggling as I was typing this out. I am. I am proud of all my fake ones, by the way, so Good one, I like that one. Yeah, yeah, I didn't come up with a name for that one. Okay, so here comes the next one, jerome, this game is called saucy socks and in this game, yes, saucy.

Speaker 3: 58:23

My desk here. That's disgusting.

Speaker 1: 58:27

This game is a space explorers mission to uncover the mystery of missing socks. Turns Erotic as you navigate a world of spaghetti forests full of naked, cat-like humanoids.

Speaker 3: 58:46

I'm gonna have to say fake and it's fake. Like a creativity. I'm like spaghetti. Why spaghetti? Like you could do a bunch of other things.

Speaker 1: 59:00

I thought it was like feet. This has to be real somebody's. And the newest game by Quentin Tarantino? All right, the next game, josh, are you ready? Yes, the game is called monkey. See, monkey, do do In this game. In the heart of the Bermuda triangle, with all of your friends, you can swing around on vines and throw do at your enemies. I'm gonna say this is real, cuz this is another one. I want to be real. It is real. I gotta go buy that. It's a VR game. It's a VR game.

Speaker 3: 59:52

Oh, that's better. Yes, really. Yeah, monkey see.

Speaker 1: 59:58

Monkey do do monkey do do it's. Monkey se monkey do do it's on steam, it sure is. Oh, I love this. Oh yeah you know it's funny is sir whoop ass came up afterwards. Get off of there, All right. We're off, hands free, All right. Who's up, Jerome? All right. This game is called geometry Wars. In this game you take control of a geometric spaceship that battles through never ending waves.

Speaker 2: 1:00:49

Okay that was. That was the gimme of the show.

Speaker 1: 1:00:54

That was the gimme.

Speaker 3: 1:00:56

I want a couple copies of that.

Speaker 1: 1:00:59

Most popular games of that generation. Well, okay, so I'm not gonna lie wheeler fake Grand Theft Auto 5. In this game you play Michael, trevor and Franklin. When I made this, I thought Dominic was gonna be here, okay, oh, I was saving that one for Dom, anyways oh, it's a little easy one Okay. Well, I don't know if he's ever even heard of that game before it is there anyway, by the way if anybody out there knows of how to play geometry Wars 2 without having an Xbox. Like the geometry Wars 2, like I would like to play it on PC 2, not one. They have one on steam and 3.

Speaker 2: 1:01:39

Yeah but 2 is like my yeah, let me.

Speaker 1: 1:01:42

Let me talk to you about, about Zemu, after this. Okay, sounds good, I'll hook you up, all right?

Speaker 2: 1:01:49

Uh, so, a drill, got a now up.

Speaker 1: 1:01:52

That's Zinnia, sorry Zinnia. Oh, the princess, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:56

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:01:59

Okay, sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:02:01

All right, the next game, josh are you?

Speaker 1: 1:02:02

ready? Yeah, all right. This game is called boxed in. In this game, you are a square who wakes up in a world that's built for circles Endure ridicule, ridicule for being a square and find your way back home. So this sounds really similar to box boy. So I'm gonna say this is fake. It is fake. That idea actually came from my Me. My wife came. It was my wife's main idea. She thought of that. I'm like, dude, that is so clever, I got to use this that is.

Speaker 3: 1:02:48

I actually was like gonna say like that's gotta be a real game, but I'm not sure like it. Well, box boy, I don't know what I don't.

Speaker 1: 1:02:53

I don't know what box boy is, but when she came up with this, I'm like dude. This is fucking genius. I need to learn how to make video games.

Speaker 2: 1:03:02

So the only thing is Box boy.

Speaker 1: 1:03:05

You play as a box yeah oh, and that's it. Yeah, like you're a square but you're not like in a round world. Okay, like I was like if, if, if this game existed, I would have heard of it. Yeah, cuz it's cool. Like it's cool, it's a really cool idea. Like I Immediately thought. Like you're a box and the fucking doors are all round, so you can't go through the door because you're a box. Oh, and you got to figure it out. Yeah, you got to figure out a way around the door. That's the first. That was the first level. That's what I thought of. I'm sorry, I like it.

Speaker 3: 1:03:35

So there you go, free idea. How would the puzzles would work around that?

Speaker 1: 1:03:38

So I'm like well, you got time to think about it. I'm just saying right now it's been set in here. And other projects my wife gets a 3%, anybody that comes up with that. It's been stated.

Speaker 2: 1:03:51

All right.

Speaker 1: 1:03:52

Who's up, josh? No, I just went.

Speaker 3: 1:03:56

Okay drum.

Speaker 1: 1:03:59

This game is called the last of waifus in. In this game it's real. You play what?

Speaker 3: 1:04:07

it's real.

Speaker 1: 1:04:11

You don't even want me to read the premise no, it's real. It's real, even if the one you were reading wasn't real. That exists.

Speaker 3: 1:04:27

Tell me the explanation anyways. Okay, it was this week lost over that, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 1:04:31

I thought you played it. Okay, I'm sorry. I Can joke because it's actually in my steam library of course it was. So my buddy Seymour, who sometimes comes into the show, he gifted it to me so I could play it extreme. But basically in this game you play as the last waifu, dressed scantily. You work to clear out the fallen city from infected zombies. Who only, whose only target is you. So All right, I.

Speaker 3: 1:05:05

May have heard of it, may have you know.

Speaker 1: 1:05:09

You know that's okay, all right, so we got the last one coming up, josh. The score, by the way, is Jerome for Josh 3. Oh, so I got a tie here, so you got a tie it here I lose, All right, yes this game is called Exenture homebound hatchling. In this game, after being purchased at a grocery store, you and egg go on a dangerous adventure to find your way back home, to the farm in which you were hatched. I'm gonna say fake. And it's fake. Oh, it's a. It's a really cool idea, but I couldn't see somebody making a game based off of it that one. So that game made sense to me, because there is a game where you pay it. You play a fish in a fish bowl. Yes, yes, that it reminded me of, but that was my daughter's idea. I was very good and I'm like dude, the creativity of people, just like. In Shorten amount of time, I'm like dude, you can make something out of these All right.

Speaker 3: 1:06:22

I hate that game, bayou Billy? What was his name? No, no, no, no, it was a game. It was by. It was on GameCube and you run around with a giant egg.

Speaker 1: 1:06:32

Oh, billy Hatcher.

Speaker 3: 1:06:33

Thank you. Yes, I don't know why I was having a like a mental brain fart there, billy.

Speaker 1: 1:06:37

Hatcher and the giant egg. Yes, very good game made by Sonic team. I highly recommend it.

Speaker 3: 1:06:43

I have it sitting in my library still need to crack that open still.

Speaker 1: 1:06:47

It's one of my fiance's favorite games of all time.

Speaker 3: 1:06:49

Oh yeah, I've heard great things. It's cute like it is.

Speaker 1: 1:06:53

It is very cute, like it's a. It's adorable from start to finish. You're like.

Speaker 3: 1:06:57

I'm surprised like this one hasn't been like remastered or anything, because like. I heard in the background that Sega is working on a collection of like Dreamcast like games into a new Remaster collection.

Speaker 1: 1:07:09

I'm like, do something, please, like I've been waiting on a new crazy taxi for God knows how long, but that's true, but I just I just have to say that like I Hear from my wife all the time Ah, you, just, you play too many big games you know everything about for your games. And then I just like hang out with people like you and I'm like, damn, I don't know fucking shit. Like Josh is like, oh yeah, team Sonic made that. I'm like they sure did. To be fair, the only reason I know about the game is because it is literally one of my fiance's favorite games. I bought a coaster that is like the disc of that game. Oh, really okay for her because she loves that game.

Speaker 3: 1:07:50

I found it at like a goodwill for like five bucks. Like years ago before, like there was a Like surge of like GameCube things and like oh sure yeah, and I'm like what is this looks weird. I think I'm like this is cute, wow, just never go back to it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:06

It's a very fun game.

Speaker 3: 1:08:07

Okay, that's like I don't know how stupid expensive now because eBay sellers.

Speaker 2: 1:08:12

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:08:14

That's a whole topic.

Speaker 3: 1:08:14

I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:16

Oh, it's back down now. I just, I just want to say that I asked you Before the show started. Is there anything you don't want to talk about? This is like the third time now when I've heard. I don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 3: 1:08:27

What are you talking about? Want to talk about.

Speaker 1: 1:08:33

It's just.

Speaker 2: 1:08:33

I don't want to get into it.

Speaker 3: 1:08:38

I used to work at a video game store like a retro video game store, and I also Do you do where you at gorilla games back in the day in Oak Creek, mm-hmm yeah. So I used to work there. I was there one of their managers, so I was there all the time.

Speaker 1: 1:08:56

Why did I think it was game crazy?

Speaker 3: 1:08:59

There was also game crazy that game piece. Ain't people who worked at game crazy also worked at gorilla games? I worked at Hollywood video, which is also part of game crazy. I was also inside there most of the time and One of the crew members act working game crazy named Scott. He also had a Scott he sorry. He also had a podcast with me. After we went off work we talked about video games.

Speaker 1: 1:09:24

Sure.

Speaker 3: 1:09:27

Yeah, I mean, we did this for years and he, he still wants to get back into it again, but he's just, he needs that, I guess, that life to bring back into a kind of thing. Pardon me, but yeah, we, we used to play like these little it was like clerks, like we would play our own stupid little games against the customers and we would make bets against each other, like to see what come. Oh, now, as they would know, they would like oh, that's some kid, some kid would come in and he, of course, he was like stoned off his mind. He's like, it's like I bet this kid's own, so he's just an idiot. And like he would go. It's like, bro, look at that, look at he's pointing at a Nintendo sees, for this Was the very first Nintendo system from the 70s. I'm like, bro, he is, he is gone.

Speaker 1: 1:10:13

He's not in the store, he's.

Speaker 3: 1:10:17

Maybe he's working on a new reality. That I don't know, but I love it so.

Speaker 1: 1:10:21

Just for us. But we have to get. We have to get Jerome Scott and Greg from game trade in. Yes, talk, just to give stories. Oh, yes, well, yes.

Speaker 3: 1:10:36

I would, you want he would. He would love to talk about game shit all day. Trust me perfect.

Speaker 1: 1:10:42

I would love. I would love that episode of just sharing stories from behind the counter.

Speaker 2: 1:10:47

Hell yeah dude, I know I.

Speaker 1: 1:10:51

Can get my buddy, nick, who used to work at game crazy. There you go by the Kmart we worked at and then we can have them. Then we got the whole group, then we got a whole group of people.

Speaker 2: 1:11:01

That I'll not.

Speaker 1: 1:11:02

Have. I'll be so out of the loop, but you know it'll be great to listen to the story. No, you worked. You worked behind the counter, like you. You could tell some stories, and I came art. Well, so that was me too, but we worked electronics, you know, that's true, anyways, anyways. So, jerome, I gotta ask you before I forget you. You, you have a bunch, a bunch of different Names that you go by. There's.

Speaker 2: 1:11:34

Jerome decay right.

Speaker 1: 1:11:35

Yet, captain, nostalgia, help, I'm depressed. Is it Sid and 64?

Speaker 3: 1:11:42

Yeah, that was my original from YouTube 2000, whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:11:46

So you know you got a lot different channels. What's up with that?

Speaker 3: 1:11:50

What's up with that? Yeah, so the first channel that was made was the sit in a 64. That was just for the enjoyment of myself, because when YouTube was very new, you made a name and you just went along with it and that's what I did. And I just made a stupid name like from Sid and I really like Nintendo 64. The end I did was my name. So I Went with that for a while and then, as time went on, I noticed that we I'm gonna put it like Friendships and family sometimes just kind of go different paths. So I couldn't do the nerf movies anymore because that takes a lot of time and a lot of dedication and a lot of those people that I used to do those videos with they're dude, they're having their own families, like they don't have time for this.

Speaker 1: 1:12:44

I. Have a family and I have time for nerf force just saying it's, it's very time for I mean I would totally it's it.

Speaker 3: 1:12:55

You have to dedicate like a whole, like day, and Everybody has to come out and like the stars out the line and it was just it's hard sometimes. Yeah, no, I get it, I get it so and then we try to do something like where it was just like three of us was like me, gary and my brother and we like maybe do video games and we'll just like streaming, and then we lost like a hundred Describers a day, like it was just tanking, because that's not what people came for originally. They didn't come from video games again for like weird, stupid nerf videos or like some comedy stuff, and I couldn't really supply that to them anymore because like it's unfortunately Different paths with different people is just that's how it was. Like I would still try to point out Little things. If it came across, like if I made a commercial and it had like some sort of action funny sequence to it, I'll throw it on the channel. That's fine I. But if it just didn't line, it just didn't align. So then I started jumping like well, maybe I can make my own brand, because then I started the Captain Nostalgia thing.

Speaker 2: 1:13:56

Oh, that's the nostalgia, thing, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:13:57

And then it was just more of me reflecting on my own nostalgia and it was a channel based only solely for me and no one else, and if anybody wanted to watch it, that was totally fine with me. And I was going off on that presence a long time ago where my grandfather at the time was fighting a lot of how could I put it? I forgot the name because I'm really slow and tired right now. He's losing his memory and it was really hard for him.

Speaker 1: 1:14:29

Okay, dementia or Alzheimer's.

Speaker 3: 1:14:31

Dementia. Thank you, thank you. He's going through dementia. I'm sorry, my brain's also not that great.

Speaker 1: 1:14:37

That's how my brain is on the normal, so it's okay, yeah, fun, isn't it? It's no Continue. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 1:14:46

No, no, no. And so the long story short is like it really made me reflect on what things were important on me and when I was visiting him, he would reflect on certain things and he was having hard times remembering certain things and of course, it made me sad and I wanted to help him but I couldn't. And what happens if I could start making videos for myself 80 years from now? And that's how it was going to be reflected on of like I'm going to take these little things I have on my shelf that mean a lot to me, or these little things that mean the world, and I'm just going to talk to them in the camera, like I'm just talking to myself. So when I'm old and lost, I can turn on these videos and I can see a face that I recognize and it's coming right back to me. So it can come right back and I can basically just have a conversation with myself, with the things that I love and enjoy. That's all it's about, and I know I never really straightforward of that on the channel. It's not supposed to be, but it's mostly just for me and I haven't gone back to it for the most reason that I want to find more things to talk about, just because you know this is for me. But at the same point, like I noticed, my editing style has changed, like certain scenery has changed because I've moved numerous times. There's different things that's happened in my life and I've looked at it and some of it's like that humor is my humor, it's made for me and I've changed as a person over the past couple of years from making that and I want to see what the next step will be. And I don't know what the next step will be for Captain Nostalgia, because I'm a different person from where I was, you know, when I first made it, and I want to understand who I am now before I start filming the next one, because if that makes sense, so that's amazing actually.

Speaker 1: 1:16:39

No, like I like that's a great fucking idea.

Speaker 2: 1:16:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:44

Oh, thank you Because and again, speaking from the YouTuber side of things like what I've noticed and I think this is one of the reasons why I'm sure you've seen the angry video game nerd, james Rolf one of the reasons why he's so successful is because all, or at least what he did back in the day was he would just share the things that he loved. Why he loved them, and it wasn't necessarily for anybody else, it was just his own kind of personal reflections on things. And I think, like and I like I said I watched your 25 years with Duke Nukem video and your love for the Duke Nukem franchise and your retelling of your experience through it like resonated with me, even though I've only ever played like Duke Nukem 3D once when I was a kid. Sure, like, so I don't have that like personal attachment to the series, but I felt it through your experience and I like, honestly, I love that video, like that was, it was fantastic and I would be. I would be interested to see how you would revisit something like that you know now and how it would.

Speaker 3: 1:17:50

Yeah, as you can see, like if you look at my earlier videos, I was just kind of setting up trying to feel like how I want to talk to the camera and then what my earlier video is compared to my latest video are completely different. And even if I would go back to it now, it would also be very different. And it's just. I guess it shows like the growth of a person or an artist and how much time I have to put in said video. Like Duke Nukem, that took me a long time to edit, just because I wanted to make a video that I reflected on and I felt for and I wanted to share my emotional experiences with the world, even if they didn't feel the same way, and that was okay, and like, and that was also an experiment, because I've always had this couple of ideas for like certain documentaries about nostalgia, because I think nostalgia in itself is a much more complicated emotion that people do not take enough credit for and like. So I view it kind of like, like a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia such a broad term nowadays. Like it's like oh, we have schizophrenia like that. What does that mean? Like it could be a mean, the many things. And nostalgia to me is the exact same thing where, like, that could have a lot, of, a lot of different feelings and different effects. Like I always what people don't realize, like what I try to put place into the idea of negative nostalgia, like not nostalgia could actually have a lot of negative effects. Like, yes, we have that idea that it could be very loving or emotional, or like that love of, like I just happy energy, but what happens if it has the opposite of effect on things Like? I have personally a lot of nostalgia addiction. Like I am horribly addicted to things Like, say, like if you just look at me, I knew I can't see a lot of my like where my camera is, but there's just toys, toys, toys, toys, toys, toys. And what am I using these for? Like, am I actually using this as a crutch? Like, am I growing as a person? Am I hiding between these? Like toys? Like why can I not stop buying these? And I have to start looking inside of why am I buying, why am I holding this as a crutch and why can I not let go of these things? Like I keep stupid, bad video games as a library reference for my mind because I'm so terrified if I lose that video game, I lose that memory and I am just traumatized by that fact. I'm like I can't let this go. And that's between, like a very fine line between collecting and hoarding, and that's the whole thing that deals with nostalgia at the same time. So like when and that's another topic I want to like bring into light I've been working on a small documentary for years about this topic and interviewing people of their ties and emotional stands with nostalgia and how it's affected their lives, and I think it's a very deeper, broader emotion that we're still trying to understand. I don't know what we were talking about and I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 1:20:49

No, but that. Well, it started going back to your Duke Nukem video.

Speaker 3: 1:20:54

Yeah, I might do that. Yeah, that's where I wanted to. I wanted to start playing with around the ideas of like different cinematography and filming and editing styles and choices, and where I want to bring that.

Speaker 1: 1:21:05

That is such a what you just said is such a fascinating topic for a documentary and in one of those things where it's something that you see because, like you can see, you know and I don't like to use this word, but I've been doing this a lot, this episode but like, like, like man Child, like that type of thing, where it's like, oh, I'm very much a man Child. Look at me, but like you see that used in such a negative connotation a lot of times, where it's like I like to see that exploration of both the positive side of being able to relive the things from your past and being able to enjoy them and appreciate them as an adult, but also, like you said, using them as, say, a crutch or an addiction or something that that takes you outside of reality and you know, so you're kind of cushioning yourself in this realm of nostalgia, like that is an idea that hasn't really been explored in that way, because you get things like the toys that made us, the films that made us, like that kind of thing where there's like this rainbowy shine on nostalgia and, and you know, classic things. But that is a really interesting idea to look at the opposite side of things and I guess it would come from from your perspective of, even when looking at your book, like drawing on those like not necessarily negative emotions, but those like emotions that we that are underneath the surface, that we don't really talk about, but expressing them in a way that's more creative and how we can kind of look at them from a different angle. So it's really cool that we've kind of come full circle around here to see how you explore these kinds of emotions in the different ways that you make art, and that's really cool, like I really hope you do end up making something with that. I'd love to.

Speaker 3: 1:22:55

I have. I have shot things, I have talked to people that I want to shoot more with. They are people involved and it's it's kind of a delicate subject matter to like also dealing with depression because, like, when I start talking about nostalgia, I talk, talk, talking about, like, why do you have this, why are you attached to this and you have to go? So almost go, approach it like a psychological aspect and we might have to dive into a product of your life that you might not want to talk about, like, why do I held on to this teddy bear? Because this teddy bear protects me. Well, why, and like I can't let this teddy bear go because he's very special to me, something could be very attached to that, and I don't want to upset anybody when it comes to things. But but what happens when it comes full force of like everything and it just becomes a blanket where it's almost suffocating you at that point, and I think that's what our culture has become in a way, but we almost celebrate it to a point where it's almost disguised as happiness, when, anyways, I can talk about this forever. That's why I want to make a documentary. No, I want.

Speaker 1: 1:24:09

I want you to know that I'm loving every fucking second of this. It's a fascinating topic and you do have a really unique and and like refreshing take on it.

Speaker 3: 1:24:20

It's very refreshing, yes, I want to also shoot it in a specific way. That's why I used the 25 years of Duke Nukem kind of like a testing grounds of how I want to shoot something that has a motion to it. And when you're shooting a documentary I don't want just like the stale, you know point like shoot. Here's the thing I actually want to attach the emotion to it and what other emotions like feel from the screen. So it again it's. It's a lot of me playing and tinkering and going back and forth and then me sometimes just sitting in my room for a half hour pondering about what I feel and that's and a lot of people use like meditation or whatever you know. It's just me just sitting in my room and my beanbag and just staring up into my ceiling and just really thinking about how certain things affect me and then trying to see how it might affect somebody else. I guess it's just one of those things of just a small slow process of things.

Speaker 1: 1:25:21

That's. I can't even like put words to like anything that you just said.

Speaker 3: 1:25:31

It's, it's you can just say for this, it's fine, farce, there you go.

Speaker 1: 1:25:37

I don't think farts really explains how I feel about everything you just said, but like it's cool.

Speaker 3: 1:25:47

I appreciate that.

Speaker 1: 1:25:49

You should be like, and I'm sure you are, but like being able to relay how you feel and like all that stuff in the thought and in video and in media and art is just like got to be the greatest fucking release. No no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 1:26:15

Double-edged sword, sometimes Sure, sure.

Speaker 1: 1:26:17

I bet it is. But like being able to do that and have people appreciate the things that you're able to put out, and like get a glimpse into how you're feeling, like you're you're accomplishing what you're putting out on the paper or on the screen or whatever, and that's that's super cool to me.

Speaker 3: 1:26:40

It's very humbling. Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1: 1:26:43

I think you do a great job. So when you say it's a double-edged sword, like what? What part of it is like the negative edge of that?

Speaker 3: 1:26:55

sword Dude. I got to live in that. I got to constantly live in this. Live in what Like thinking about Living, feeling it Like when I say like, like, say, writing that anxiety and depression book, like sometimes I don't want to think about that stuff and sometimes I just want to live in my own little bliss and try to fall asleep. And I can't sleep sometimes and I'm up till three o'clock in the morning and I have to be up at five and and I'm wondering about, like the fabrics of space, of how it's going to rip me apart when I die, sure, and and when I'm drawing like certain things, like I have to sometimes let it free flow. That's okay with me, and sometimes something comes out, sometimes don't, and sometimes I get really frustrated with it and sometimes it's just a long, painful process to figure out what I'm actually looking for In the specific piece of art and like I want things to come out faster and but it doesn't sometimes. And like, yeah, it's, it's very emotional sometimes, like it could be very emotional and like, if you like, even writing that book. Like I said, it's a. I had to go to some dark places and relive some of those moments and there were, there were maybe like two or three times where I cried a couple of times because I felt sad or I felt devastated because that's how I came to a point in my mind where I'm like this will be relatable, because I'm breaking down right now. Yeah, because I have to relive a moment in my life and work into that art and hopefully that somebody will also feel the same way. You know, yeah, it can be therapeutic because I'm releasing something but at that same time, like I don't like living through that. Sure, it's a again, it's a double edged sword. Like, yeah, I can make that up, but I believe that anybody could also take a piece of paper and draw how they feel and emotions and stuff like that. Like it's, it could be therapeutic for anybody and it just because I put words to a page, like you anybody could put words to a page.

Speaker 1: 1:29:16

Well, yeah, but there's a certain, there's a certain talent to it of being able to express yourself in any medium. So, like I see what you're saying, where you know you do have the gift of being able to express that that side of your emotion, be able to put it to a page in this instance, but at the same time, like you said, it also means you have to kind of live through it in an amplified way because you have to be able to put it through that mechanism of expressing it to somebody else. So it's almost like it's almost like you're feeling it not only for yourself but for your audience. So that's.

Speaker 3: 1:29:55

I could. I mean, I guess I don't have to do that, but like I could just think about it. But I guess it's more effective if I, if I have an emotion attached to it.

Speaker 1: 1:30:03

Of course yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:30:07

I don't know. We're getting really deep feelings talk here tonight, I guess.

Speaker 1: 1:30:15

I'm loving every second of this. I'm just throwing it out there.

Speaker 3: 1:30:20

I do appreciate all your kind of words, so thank you so much, guys.

Speaker 1: 1:30:23

Of course. Well, it's not kind, I don't at least from my side, it's not kind, just to be kind, like, I'll say like we're not flattering, like both. Both posts and I are very interested in what you're doing and it's, it's all very fascinating.

Speaker 3: 1:30:38

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:30:39

One thing I did want to say, just speaking from my own experience and a little bit of posts as well, but I won't speak for him. Too much is so. You, you got interested in art. Well, you'll understand what I mean. You got interested in art and then you ended up going and studying it. How did you feel about? Because I went to art school, just kind of went to technical college for animation.

Speaker 2: 1:31:06

Yeah, I had to get then.

Speaker 1: 1:31:08

Yeah, but there was a yeah, but there was, you know, there was schooling there still for an artistic endeavor. How did you feel about kind of not only learning more about your own artistic expression, but kind of performing and creating within your scholistic experience, like, did you find that it was helpful? Did you find that it was restrictive, having to, you know, create things that ended up being graded? What was that experience like, just studying art?

Speaker 3: 1:31:46

Studying arts. Well, I studied at Minneapolis College of Art and Design for a couple of semesters and I ended up moving back home into Milwaukee due to family concerns and also I was just kind of not feeling too much of it anymore. Like it it gave me, I was looking, I was going there to learn tools, like I have a lot of creative thoughts and I want to learn the tools to get these creative thoughts out. And what I learned is I could just do this all on Google and what it just what it takes is a lot of time and dedication, regardless if you have money or not. And I end up going to basically a technical college and finishing up my degree in visual communications and gaming design and I learned as much as, again, as I could have learned on Google. It was just I'm not saying that education or college is wrong or bad. I guess for a creative mind type like me, it was. I learned differently, like if someone just showed me how to do something, I will go oh, that's how you do it. Okay, if I'm going to be reading a book, I'm like you do what now? What the fuck is this Sure? I would just flip through it all. If I watch a YouTube retortorial like oh, I just grab it immediately. Okay, this is what I do and I just do it and do it. Yeah, Follow up.

Speaker 1: 1:33:21

Visual learning yeah. Or learning by doing in a big way yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:33:26

Like. So of course, obviously I'm working with my hands a lot more. What if I'm doing art and stuff like that, so I can pick up things and I can just do it, and I guess the structure of college kind of like the school education nowadays, like they're doing their best at what they know. But I think for me personally, if I could go back, I probably wouldn't take as many college courses or anything like that, because I feel like I don't need them and I just got enough learning from other people because, like talking to them or learning from them like just normal people.

Speaker 1: 1:34:04

I got a lot of yeah, just experiences yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:34:07

Exactly yeah, but I got more than that than reading a textbook and like a stupid assignment that's forced me to do this and I'm like I didn't get anything out of that, like, yeah, I got an A. What did I learn? Fucking nothing. That's the worst. I get it.

Speaker 2: 1:34:21

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:34:22

I mean, this is all a process and I know that it's all there for to make sure you learn certain things and whatever, but how much of college do you actually remember, I mean? I mean, I mean, I mean, well, there's a couple of reasons for that. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:34:39

Hey, oh, um. No, I'm glad I asked that, because that was a that was a big complaint I had when I went to art school was I had that very similar thing where it's just like, yeah, like I literally like the same thing as you said, where it's like I have all these ideas and they're just abstract and I'd like to be able to have an arsenal to actually create them. But there's something strange and I and I like kids that can go through four years of art school and graduate with an art degree like a, like a BA, like I respect them so much because I couldn't do it. I lasted less than two years and I switched to computer science, of all things, and I was just like, at least I'm learning something computer science. Right yeah, because like it, because it always just feels like art school is like you're refining your own skills to somebody else's standard, and I never liked that.

Speaker 3: 1:35:42

No, I can definitely feel that. I remember I did have a lot of pompous teachers, oh yeah. Or like you want to do this and that and like, listen, buddy, this piece of paper you want me to buy costs $50 and I need to eat. This month there was literally meetings sometimes where they were like what is more important eating or getting your art supplies for the week we had meetings about it, it's just so. It's just so fucking ridiculous. And I think that was another thing too. I'm like the standards there, like we're very high, but at that same point I'm like, dude, I can't live like this. I know like the whole trait was like starving artists and I was a starving artist for a long time Like I lost 20 pounds in two weeks, Like it was fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 1:36:35

How'd you do that? I need, I could use that.

Speaker 3: 1:36:39

Become an art student.

Speaker 1: 1:36:40

Yeah, seriously, dude, go back to college.

Speaker 3: 1:36:44

Yeah, like you, like I couldn't even afford eating a whole pack of ramen. I have to. I just split that. It's so fucking poor. It was because the supplies were just ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 1:36:55

And I think that too.

Speaker 3: 1:36:56

Like I was. So, yeah, there were a lot of people kind of stuck up with their own ass and I didn't want to be also that person stuck up my own ass.

Speaker 1: 1:37:09

And like I almost feel like that's a, that's something to be proud of in and of itself, is like recognizing, like all right, I don't want to be this, so I'm going to go and do it my own way.

Speaker 3: 1:37:22

And that kind of shows to like with, like the nerf movies of just us going out having fun, not having that. So like no, we need the proper lighting over here and overheat. No, the cinematography is not right over here. Like no, dude, just fuck off. Who cares, just have fun.

Speaker 1: 1:37:35

Yeah, it's really. It's a lifestyle of guerrilla filmmaking.

Speaker 3: 1:37:38

That's a totally.

Speaker 1: 1:37:39

Yeah, it's a great way to put it.

Speaker 3: 1:37:41

And and I think it also kind of reflects off today to where I like to sit and ponder about my emotions and my thoughts and my feelings, and others as well, and how they like, and I know that's kind of like an artsy thing to say in itself, but at least I'm not up my own ass, I hope.

Speaker 1: 1:38:01

No, it's good to recognize.

Speaker 2: 1:38:03

Yeah, and.

Speaker 1: 1:38:03

I think I think there's a big difference between being self reflexive and being pretentious yes, being able to recognize your own kind of what, your own emotions and what you're going through, versus, you know, placing that onto somebody else, like if you were to say, like you know, oh, I like to sit and, you know, think about, you know what I'm going through. That's one thing, whereas if you were to say you need to sit and think about what you're like, that's. That's where it goes into that territory of like, all right now, you're just a pompous ass.

Speaker 3: 1:38:36

Yeah, exactly. I mean, keep in mind, like our school did teach me a lot of good things. Like it taught me how to crunch unfortunately, like when they talk about, like you know, crunch culture or like video game crunch. Like I learned really hardcore to like, all right, we have this project to do, we have two comic pages to do this day and blah, blah, blah, blah. We're up till three o'clock in the morning. We're sleeping in the studio. Like you learned how to crunch and so, like, when work comes up and like my professional job, they're like we need XYZ and I'm like all right, I'm on it. It's like you're going to be up for like 13 hours. Like, yeah, I got it, don't worry about it. Like, did you learn to do like college starving artists? I got this. Like those, those taught me things like how the real world works for like deadlines, deadlines are hard, deadlines are real. I learned how to deal with deadlines and I'm very professional about that. That taught me that. But I did meet a lot of fantastic people and a lot of dumb people, but that's everywhere, though.

Speaker 1: 1:39:39

Yes, and that, to be fair, that's every college program. Yeah Is you're going to meet a lot of really great people that are going to shape the rest of your life. You're going to meet a lot of really dumb people that are going to shape the rest of your life because you're going to remember dealing with them, and even that's going to teach you something.

Speaker 3: 1:40:00

Yeah, I was like I have a client, just like no, I know what you mean.

Speaker 1: 1:40:09

This whole interview has been one of my favorite things in bucket bites history, oh really. It just it really has been yes.

Speaker 3: 1:40:18

I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 1: 1:40:21

That's no slight, it's just, it's, it's. I don't even know how to put it into words, but all right, just to keep things moving along.

Speaker 2: 1:40:32

Sure.

Speaker 1: 1:40:33

Josh, can you grab the bucket again?

Speaker 3: 1:40:36

Oh yeah, we're still playing games, aren't we?

Speaker 1: 1:40:39

We have, we have one more, okay, so, and I have 10%. Pat ran my earbuds, so there we go. Oh, we're gonna get wired headphones, buddy. All right, we, ladies and gentlemen, are going to be playing review. This is one of my favorites. So, each of you is going to have three games You'll get. So the rule is I'm going to give you three reviews. If you guess and are wrong after any of the reviews, you don't get the point and the other person can then guess to steal. Okay, okay, so each one is worth three, except for the last two are worth four. Okay, so if you get the first one and you can chance it to get three points Just off the first review. But the first review is always Kind of obscure.

Speaker 2: 1:41:39

Can.

Speaker 1: 1:41:39

I ask is there a theme to these games? Are they a?

Speaker 2: 1:41:41

series.

Speaker 1: 1:41:42

They're all on steam. That's it. That's the only right. All right, no theme. There's no theme this time around. So, by the way, if you're in chat listening live, feel free to play along. I don't think anybody will cheat. So, by the way, the scores tied leading into this. Okay, each of you has four points. Oh yeah, that's right. So, and I'm gonna double that to eight points each, just because that's how that game works. So, all right. So I guess we can start with Jerome Think we'll let you, we'll let you go first, okay. Okay, let's do it for the first game. This review comes from username Akuni and their review is simply Everyone in this game is hot, so I gave you the review. You do not have to guess yet, okay that one was worth that? One was worth three points, the next one will be worth two and then the last one will be worth one point. So just to further clarify, okay.

Speaker 3: 1:42:49

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:42:52

The next review. Oh, I'm sorry, did you have a guess? Okay, the next one is from username sanity, and their review is Objectively the best rogue light that was ever made.

Speaker 2: 1:43:09

There are others.

Speaker 1: 1:43:10

I preferred slightly more, but this is s tier for everyone rogue like light.

Speaker 2: 1:43:20

Like light.

Speaker 1: 1:43:21

I don't know the difference, to be honest.

Speaker 2: 1:43:23

No, no, no, that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:43:24

These days it's pretty, remember you can guess or choose to move on for one point. If you fail, if you don't have any guesses after the first one, josh Can steal for one point.

Speaker 3: 1:43:39

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go for another.

Speaker 1: 1:43:43

I'm. I have a feeling Josh knows the game already, but I already know so the user. The username is E on the gamer and, and their review is simply Cerberus is a very good boy. Cerberus yes, so Everyone is hot. It's the best rogue light that was ever made and Cerberus is a very good boy. I.

Speaker 3: 1:44:10

Guess I'll take a shot in the dark Sure. This is partners gate three.

Speaker 1: 1:44:16

It is not Baldur's gate three. It's a decent guess, josh Hades, it is Hades. I, if you. I Only recently started playing it again because it runs really well on my ligo and it is a really good Just time waste, just time sink, fun Rogue light type game.

Speaker 3: 1:44:45

So I mean I've been playing a little bit of boulders gate three and like everybody's pretty hot in there, I'm like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:44:52

When he said that first one, I thought it was gonna be boulders gate three, but then when it was rogue light, I'm like, all right, it's Hades, because everybody talks about how hot everyone hot and Baldur's gate. Let me think here. Well, so, baldur's gate? We actually had on review bites, like earlier this year, so I didn't, I couldn't throw it back in. I'm sorry, I Guess Josh has advantage here. All right, um, oh, it's my turn. Yes, it's your turn, but I can't do the next one cuz you'll get it for sure. Let me pick the next one. Oh, here's this fucking name. This, so you remember that word before that I couldn't fucking pronounce is like quokka, or whatever, yes, yeah it's like, it's like a koala. Basically it's like a fucking like rat type thing. Anyways, just so you know, I looked it up and I just wanted to share that with everybody. Um, this comes from this, this, this comes from username the juicy koaka. Oh yeah yeah, that happens, all right. Oh, motherfucker, am I gonna get this one too? No, I forgot to change the title, but that's okay. I don't know what it is. Oh, all right. Their review is Loses its charm pretty fast. The open world is filled with mediocre time wasters. I'm not the only fucking Ubisoft hater here. That makes me happy. All right, next one, next one. By the way, josh, this is also the four-point question for you. Oh Shit, all right yeah. I Know this is worth four points. Still still any? of them each each, each, each of you gets one four-point question. Yours just happens to be first. Yeah, but like no matter when I get it, it's worth four points. No no, so that was for. This will be worth three.

Speaker 2: 1:46:45

It's a little bit too anyone.

Speaker 1: 1:46:46

Yep, that's what I said. And then you said no for. I'm dumb, all right, username nx Mikael. Their review is you can do everything you can't do in real life, like casting magic and talking to girls. I'm gonna say Hogwarts legacy? No shit, was it Hogwarts legacy? It fucking was it fucking was a shot in the dark, casting magic and open world with nothing in it. I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2: 1:47:23

Do. That was good. That was good.

Speaker 3: 1:47:25

That's good, good. I applaud you all the other.

Speaker 1: 1:47:28

You would. You would have gotten it on number two for sure anybody would have. It's a Recommend for garlic, if you know, you know. And the last one was could it get any cozier than hogsmeade? I would have gotten that, but yeah, garlic when I don't get, oh, professor, garlic. There was this weird like tick-tock infatuation with her. I, I, you know, whatever way over my head. So no, I wouldn't good then you wouldn't. Then I picked the right one for you. Yeah, all right. So Josh, for plus fucking three shit.

Speaker 3: 1:47:58

Congratulations, my friend.

Speaker 1: 1:47:59

Thank you, I feel good about that one. You should All right, this one is going to be For three points, just so you know. I Just didn't want Josh to have another easy one right off the bat.

Speaker 3: 1:48:13

That's all right. These are a lot harder than I thought.

Speaker 1: 1:48:17

It's not easy.

Speaker 3: 1:48:19

I like, though it's cool.

Speaker 1: 1:48:20

I, yes, but they can be All right. So this one, this review, comes from username cinder block Munner Munner. Whatever their review is, simply there aren't any dogs in the game. Oh, oh that's easy. There are. That's the hard one. That's the hard one, yeah, I know, but you said that this was an easy like solution.

Speaker 3: 1:48:52

I'm trying to think of games that don't have dogs in it right now. Yeah, wait, all right, no wait, can you continue?

Speaker 1: 1:49:00

just go all right, all right, oh there's. There's a bonus on this one, but I'll only read it after the last review. All right, this comes from username Isaac and their review is you can hack an old dude's pacemaker and laugh in his face. I.

Speaker 3: 1:49:26

Don't know why I'm thinking of a specific game, but I don't want to say it.

Speaker 1: 1:49:32

I mean, it'd be a real shame if you like said it and then like looked at me and Then I gave you a really like. You know you could be like I think it might be this, but then I could be like, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:49:49

No, guys, I like how it's just like openly admitted to cheating, just like now.

Speaker 1: 1:49:58

We're good fam. Yeah, it's alright. I.

Speaker 3: 1:50:04

Don't know why. I'm pretty embarrassed the fact that I don't know this.

Speaker 1: 1:50:08

It's alright, it's not easy.

Speaker 3: 1:50:10

Yeah, okay, I guess go again All right, the next one, all right.

Speaker 1: 1:50:14

So this, this last one you're gonna get. You're gonna get two that are worth one point, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:50:19

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:50:21

I'm gonna give you the bonus. First Comes from username smiley face.

Speaker 2: 1:50:26

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:50:28

It was actually a colon and a parentheses. So anyways, their review is it's pretty good, but online has too many hackers in all capital letters. And. And then the actual final review is from username John umber and their review is this is for one point. If I could describe it as one thing, it would be the combination of Grand Theft Auto in Assassin's Creed.

Speaker 3: 1:51:05

I made a heaven and your nism and again the.

Speaker 1: 1:51:08

The bonus was it's pretty good, but online has too many hackers. I oh that first. The clue was a clue. It was, it was a clue.

Speaker 3: 1:51:25

Probably gonna kick myself.

Speaker 1: 1:51:28

There's three. There's multiple games and I will accept any of them multiple games.

Speaker 3: 1:51:33

Oh my god, um, give me a second. Looking at my library, Rod something, jump out.

Speaker 1: 1:51:45

Let's see here. Um, you know not that I'm throwing out any hints there, but it was a game that was never mind it might make it harder.

Speaker 2: 1:51:54

I've made a video on it. There are, there are, there are this this this is why you this is why I didn't give you this one.

Speaker 1: 1:52:01

There aren't any dogs in the game. It's pretty good, but online has too many hackers. You can hack an old dude's pacemaker and laugh in his face. And if you could describe it as one thing, it's Grand Theft Auto and Ubisoft. I mean Assassin's Creed.

Speaker 3: 1:52:20

Again, like this can't be cyberpunk, is it?

Speaker 1: 1:52:24

yeah, well, so it would be weird. So I like your thought process. Okay if, if cyberpunk was made by Ubisoft. But that's a good thing, it wasn't your guess, you don't who is.

Speaker 3: 1:52:47

No, never mind, Kind of give up, you give up. All right, Josh Go ahead, josh Go ahead.

Speaker 1: 1:52:53

It was, it was.

Speaker 3: 1:52:55

Is it watchdogs?

Speaker 1: 1:53:00

Rome gets it.

Speaker 3: 1:53:03

I guess like is there a Grand Theft Auto Ubisoft? There was, it was watchdogs.

Speaker 1: 1:53:06

Oh my god, a piece of yeah, the first clue was actually a clue. There's no dogs, yeah that was like the big meme yeah, that was that. That was like. That was like the meme. All right, my favorite, my favorite was it was it was like somebody Photoshop the cover of the game, but it was somebody washing a dog and it just said wash dogs.

Speaker 3: 1:53:37

That one meme that somebody would like eat standing instead of the Death Stranding. Yes, yeah, hot dog, I'm like oh, that's good, perfect. Just kiss to you, sir, good artist. All right, josh, you ready. I'm sorry that took me so long. That was, that's embarrassing.

Speaker 1: 1:53:53

Okay, have you ever played it, at least or no?

Speaker 3: 1:53:55

okay, I own two of them. I haven't played any of them.

Speaker 1: 1:53:59

They're not worth like. Like a half hour it's okay, what is this?

Speaker 3: 1:54:03

I don't care.

Speaker 1: 1:54:04

The first one is okay, the second one is Trash there's four of them there. No, there's three. Oh is the fourth. One is third one Legion. Legion is the third one.

Speaker 3: 1:54:13

Yeah, okay, all right, I thought there was a third one, and then Legion. The second one got under my skin. I'm like can you please shut up and try to be stopping edgy like that was 100%, yeah, what it was.

Speaker 1: 1:54:24

And the third one, like doubles down on that shit, and you think they'd be like, yeah, they ruined it. They went the same things. They had the same it was the same problem. Saints Row had Saints.

Speaker 2: 1:54:32

Row, in my opinion, which started off with good with a good first three.

Speaker 1: 1:54:38

Well, you know they had more on anyways. All right, josh, you ready? Yes, go ahead. All right. This comes from username L Duderino. Oh, and my guy. Their review is you drive. I need to go over the case notes. This one also has a bonus, by the way. All right, go ahead. Next one. All right, next one from username Vasya, the best game I've ever played, but then I'm a sucker for film noir.

Speaker 3: 1:55:20

No, put it away you have a right there. Fuck you, dude. You ruined it right after you said no war.

Speaker 1: 1:55:29

I'm like come on when you said you drive, I look at the case I was like it might be LA noir and then you said no so I was kind of.

Speaker 3: 1:55:37

So I got at that point like so okay.

Speaker 1: 1:55:40

I was kind of hoping because of the recency, the recency of tails, no tails or Backbreak, or whatever the fuck was called backbone. It was called backbone. Yeah, sorry, I was talking to them on Twitter or X. Feel free to come on our show if you want to please the other the other. The other two guesses were um, detective by day, detective by night. You play as a detective. And then the last one was me. My review was press X to doubt. I was waiting for press X to doubt. Yeah, that's, that's what.

Speaker 2: 1:56:19

I'm sorry, so Josh.

Speaker 1: 1:56:21

For plus two, josh. By the way, josh is always like destroyed everybody in this game, so I can understand. Oh, he's just my knowledge for games is just stupid. Nobody should have it. All right, so shit, all right, I'm gonna do your plus four, jerome, because this is that's yeah, because Josh's last. I Tell you what if you get this, you can also have the last one. Oh, oh, okay, we'll learn nothing. I like it All right.

Speaker 3: 1:56:55

Okay, I promise I won't get it, though, don't worry, I Don't have faith in myself.

Speaker 1: 1:57:01

I believe in you oh that's unfortunate.

Speaker 3: 1:57:03

You can do it.

Speaker 1: 1:57:04

I believe in you, I think, I think this is this is this is the one. Okay, okay this is from username orpheus sees and his review is pizza today, pizza tomorrow. Oh, and that that's worth four points? Oh, is it I?

Speaker 3: 1:57:25

Would you like?

Speaker 2: 1:57:27

Would you like?

Speaker 1: 1:57:27

more. Would you like? More Reviews?

Speaker 3: 1:57:32

before you guess, hold on hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1: 1:57:37

It has to be on steam.

Speaker 3: 1:57:39

I know it's on steam, because I haven't wish listed. I just forgot the name of the game.

Speaker 1: 1:57:47

Oh Give you some time. Dude, this would be clutched if you hit the plus four it's like pizza.

Speaker 3: 1:58:00

Okay, I'm just gonna be spitballing in my head, cuz I know it's like a don't spitball. Okay, I'm not spitballing, I just I'm. So I play with my rubber band. Okay, I have the game in my head. It's running around in levels right here.

Speaker 1: 1:58:24

All right, I'm gonna go to the next one, Okay fine, fine. Fine, this is also worth four points, cuz I decided this is from username Zendig. Their review is this game kicks more shell than 12 angry Boy Scouts.

Speaker 3: 1:58:40

With 12 angry boy scouts.

Speaker 1: 1:58:43

Yeah, but I mean, the game kicks more shell.

Speaker 3: 1:58:46

Oh yeah, she'll wait so.

Speaker 1: 1:58:47

I was. I was way off shell pizza yeah is this the cow bugger collection? Let me just pull up steam real quick, as it's on there because you said show.

Speaker 3: 1:59:07

Yeah, I'm with you games Yep I'm with, and then your pizza.

Speaker 1: 1:59:13

What's? What's the game called?

Speaker 3: 1:59:15

the cow bugger collection.

Speaker 1: 1:59:19

Okay, if it's in this collection, you'll get it. I mean, if it's not in it. It counts teenage mutinous turtles is the answer yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:59:35

Yeah, that's part of the yeah, I'm gonna give it to you good that first one.

Speaker 1: 1:59:40

I thought it was gonna be pizza tower, which I think is probably what you as the game I was thinking about yeah, that's why I didn't want you to guess cuz. I am like that's not enough. Don't guess. Don't guess, it was actually. It was actually so. The real was shredders revenge. Yeah yeah, I close that. I'm like there's only like three fucking games of fucking TMNT. Yeah, arcade, teenage, mutant Ninja, turtles, they're all the same game. Alright, so I'm giving Jerome plus three. That's fine so right now.

Speaker 3: 2:00:11

In this round if it makes you feel better.

Speaker 1: 2:00:13

I did buy the game twice, so there you go so we were oh shit, my head was tonight we were 8 to 8 lead. It coming in here it's currently 13 to 12. Oh so you have to get the lead, at least by the last guess to tie it Okay but if you can get it on guess number two. You win it. You win today's show.

Speaker 3: 2:00:51

Okay, all right, nice to be giving me that last point, dude, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1: 2:00:57

I mean, you got dude team dude, fuck dude.

Speaker 2: 2:01:02

You can, you can just a team.

Speaker 1: 2:01:03

Yeah, that was that's, I would have accepted just TMNT.

Speaker 3: 2:01:07

That's why I told you that's all. But I thought like well, the calabunca flexion I want to.

Speaker 1: 2:01:10

I forgot how many games are actually in that collection one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fuck, oh, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, if you count the online, only titles. Okay, and we all do. Anyways, all right, here we go. Last one username cool dude. This game is goaded, enough said, whether it's the Dreamcast to steam or the Gamecube, it's just goaded and has has a well done story and great gameplay.

Speaker 3: 2:01:48

I have an idea you have an idea.

Speaker 1: 2:01:51

You have an idea good, I have an idea. All right, I'm gonna go to the second one, just because you only need two to win. Okay, no use losing it out. On the three-point question, this this one's from Banjo killer 69. Their review is I rolled around at the speed of sound and lived, then learned Rolling around in a speed of sorry on.

Speaker 3: 2:02:25

Was it like follow the rainbow or something, my rainbow yeah, gotta follow rainbow. Shopped. It's up to. That's up to going on.

Speaker 1: 2:02:36

Yeah, nobody remembers after that, except for, like, follow me, I'm afraid, decenty from the city, I'll make it something Decentin you follow me, thank you.

Speaker 3: 2:02:59

Yeah, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do do.

Speaker 1: 2:03:03

I've never felt so much more than a third wheel than I have right now.

Speaker 3: 2:03:15

Oh, we guessing, do we start the same? Yeah, you gotta say it.

Speaker 1: 2:03:19

you gotta say, yeah, I have no fucking clue, I'm miles away. No.

Speaker 2: 2:03:25

Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1: 2:03:26

Are you miles tails prower? That's a way.

Speaker 3: 2:03:34

That was good. You get 10 points for that one Sonic Adventure to. I mean that song is from Sonic Adventure to.

Speaker 1: 2:04:00

That makes Jerome Jerome and see there was there was. It was the mispronunciation. I got put on fucking headphones on guys. I.

Speaker 3: 2:04:08

Mean. You kind of gave that to me, so it's a draw one tonight.

Speaker 1: 2:04:16

I mean no, no, no, no, no, no, tmnt you got yeah.

Speaker 3: 2:04:23

So how about, like, that's a different game and whatever I will, I will.

Speaker 1: 2:04:30

I am a like notorious nitpicker and even I'm like nah, like what?

Speaker 2: 2:04:35

you got it Like it's me Ninja Turtles.

Speaker 1: 2:04:37

It's close enough. I Was gonna let any TMNT game go on that one so you're good, all right. So you are, you earn that, w brother I.

Speaker 3: 2:04:47

Have a Ninja Turtle arcade cabinet sitting right there. You can't see it though.

Speaker 1: 2:04:52

Yeah, is it an original or a one-up?

Speaker 3: 2:04:55

Oh, it's a one-up, unfortunately, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:04:56

I got the turtles in time. One up downstairs.

Speaker 3: 2:04:58

Okay, it's dope, though I mean I still play that fucker. It's amazing.

Speaker 1: 2:05:01

Oh, yeah, same. Oh, my god, I just realized that this has been the longest episode we've had in quite some freaking time. So, jerome, yeah, two final things. Okay number one If somebody had offered you a box that had everything that you've ever lost. No what's the first thing that you would look for, oh?

Speaker 2: 2:05:35

Oh.

Speaker 1: 2:05:39

Please don't say flashlight.

Speaker 3: 2:05:42

I still got mine Okay, 12 years ago.

Speaker 1: 2:05:45

That's yeah, I would never lose.

Speaker 3: 2:05:52

See, that's my problem. I am a again. We went back to that conversation being collected and hoarding. Mm-hmm when I moved in. That's what started this whole process of me thinking this way is, when I moved into my partner's house, she's like all right, you don't have a lot of stuff, right, and like no, I have a whole semi of things. And she's like you don't. I'm like I do, we've backed up with the same. Yeah, you have a lot of collector stuff, I'm like I do, and we, there's just toasts and toasts. Until she's like you've kept everything like I have. I've kept my childhood like as much as I can like, like the things that I've lost. I've usually replaced over time, slowly and then of course before, like well, peace for peace. Most of the time you know Okay, fancy pants. It's not fancy, it's a problem. This is where Me reflecting back into myself.

Speaker 1: 2:06:49

There's gotta be, there's gotta be something.

Speaker 3: 2:06:51

There's gotta be at least one thing that was lost at some point my original Stay puff marshmallow man toy from Ghostbusters from 1980, god knows, I think it was like. I think they released at 88 For the cartoon, yeah, so I don't remember. I have one. It is not my original one, okay, but it ice. That was my toy and for some other reason it was lost in time, but I would. I would just want that specific one back sure Fair enough.

Speaker 1: 2:07:30

I like it. That's a good answer. It's just a simple little toy that I loved that's cool, by the way, talking about stay puff, you have a fucking sick ass. Yeah, I want to see it? Yeah, bring it up, pull it up, whip it out.

Speaker 3: 2:07:51

All right, so you can only see the one, but it is attached to my Spangler pack from the afterlife movie, if anybody's seen, oh yes, yeah. Oh Well, hold on, I should probably turn on the whole pack.

Speaker 1: 2:08:09

Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna cast ghost, yeah, we got to get the whole experience here.

Speaker 3: 2:08:13

There we go, there she goes I.

Speaker 1: 2:08:21

So my least favorite thing about doing this show on discord today has is that crisp is too crispy. Yeah, the audio cancellation is much better on this. Yeah, that thing's sick though.

Speaker 2: 2:08:40

That thing is really cool.

Speaker 1: 2:08:41

So before the show, we kind of got a preview of this thing and it sounded so cool and it looks so cool and he's gonna catch some ghosts. So I do have one question is when you're holding that, does bustin make you feel good?

Speaker 3: 2:08:54

Sometimes when I'm wearing protection.

Speaker 1: 2:09:00

I'll be. I kind of feel like it feels better when you're not, but you know.

Speaker 3: 2:09:05

Details, like put into it, like a little knob to turn up like the velocity, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:09:09

Yeah, what? When my knob gets turned like that too, it it turns the intensity up to. I'm sorry, will you stop? I'm sorry. All right, jerome, I Appreciate you, dude, you've been great. It's been one of my favorite interviews in all of bucket bites.

Speaker 3: 2:09:27

No, thank you, it's been a pleasure. On.

Speaker 1: 2:09:29

thank you, you can have me again anytime, because I'm lonely perfect, since we've been asking you and pegging you with questions all night long. Do you have any questions for us before we call it a night?

Speaker 3: 2:09:45

You gonna let me back on oh. Yeah okay, that's fine.

Speaker 1: 2:09:50

Oh, cool, cool, fantastic, that's.

Speaker 3: 2:09:56

No, I had fun. Thank you guys awesome.

Speaker 1: 2:09:58

Thank you. I will let you have the floor if there's anything you want to call out. Promote whatever your website. Jerome DK calm, any books that you're maybe working on right now, cuz Like.

Speaker 3: 2:10:11

I heard that might be a thing maybe I am working on two books at the current time. One is a more Christmas book. Too many details because yeah, that's great it. It delves into my conspiracy mind a little bit of what Santa Claus really is and it gives him more of a more of a nightmare approach that you should not let strangers into your home and let's. I was just a Santa, but I've been working on it for a little while just because I have some nightmares about. I'm very inspired by my own nightmares. Sure, I twist and I research like the weird things across like we're like Alaska's really fucked up and I'm like cross researching all these like weird mythologies and I'm refreshing up to Santa and like weird conspiracy theories with Nazis and stuff and I'm again. It just goes into a weird downward spiral that will all kind of make sense in a weird Okay, fine, way well, it is a spiral, not a loop. So yes, I mean, if you've seen some of my horrific art on Jerome DK calm, you could probably look forward to that. Basically, again, more of a children s book, but for me, for adults, and I kind of going on to that theme like where I feel like More adults need more of these like children, things like, if I'm gonna go, I do Tours into this like nostalgia market, I might as well go full force. So, and then the other book that I'm sort of writing right now again deals with kind of Sorry, still covity. The half of it deals with a madman's journal and the other half deals with police reports. So you get to kind of cross examine between what is happening between this man's mind and what is happening into real world and if it's real or not. And you get to see like his descent into madness, with his illustrations of where he is and where he's going and a lot of it is taking off some real world events in around Wisconsin and and I'm gonna kind of tie it in between reality and fiction a little bit.

Speaker 1: 2:12:28

So it's about the hop, isn't it?

Speaker 3: 2:12:31

The hop. Yeah, you've heard of the hop, the I hop.

Speaker 1: 2:12:39

The street car, the downtown. They got the little fucking street car that drives around that people hate. Well, not everybody, but like people were like Wait, jerome, are you from Milwaukee?

Speaker 3: 2:12:52

I am. I'm from California.

Speaker 1: 2:12:54

Yeah, but are you in downtown a lot.

Speaker 3: 2:12:57

I haven't been there in a couple years, no.

Speaker 1: 2:12:59

Oh, okay, all right that I just that's one of the like the polarizing things, that like.

Speaker 3: 2:13:06

So I'm moving in Madison area right now.

Speaker 1: 2:13:08

Okay, cool.

Speaker 3: 2:13:09

Cool, so I've been there since requires a couple years, so I don't know I'll give you a pass.

Speaker 1: 2:13:15

Yeah, they put in a street car that runs about two blocks and all it does is hold up traffic. It's the fucking worst thing ever.

Speaker 3: 2:13:26

I don't know about this. That is hilarious.

Speaker 1: 2:13:30

It's the worst. I hate this city so much.

Speaker 3: 2:13:34

Christ.

Speaker 1: 2:13:37

Anyways, no cool, looking forward to those. You have a timeline, or is it kind of like up in there?

Speaker 3: 2:13:42

Again, I was gonna give myself more of a died time line for that because, like, I stress myself for three months to put out yeah, and that kind of killed me a little bit. No, I'm gonna kind of give myself a little more leeway. And I should get myself a deadline within the next couple weeks just to get myself more structured. I'm hoping Something within a year You'll see something new, because I want to put more Guess structure into the book, because it's gonna be more heavy Into art and a lot more detailed Cool. So I do spend a lot of time in my art stuff. So, and then other stuff that I guess I'm working on yes, the documentary, but we'll see how well that goes that one that flips flops and black back and forth between what's going on. That's, that's what movie making news Comes, it goes. Awesome well, hey.

Speaker 1: 2:14:33

Jerome, awesome You've been. You've been great. Josh, thanks for hanging out with me tonight. I appreciate you being here as well, man. So bucket bites is gonna be off for a few weeks. Oh, we're gonna be. We're gonna. After this, we're gonna be coming back on December 15th with the, the Acclaimed twitch streamer, bike man, courtesy Josh. We're gonna be going round two for that, because the first time we had some family emergencies going around. So this one will stick and it'll be a good time. So Make sure you're there with us on December 15th, that Friday at nine, same time as always. We live record Most Fridays at 9 pm Central Standard On our twitch state twitch page, twitchtv slash bucket bites. You can also check us out at bucket bites dot. Gg is our website or link tr dot ee slash bucket bites for all of our info. Make sure you check out Jerome DK on his website, jerome DKcom. And Also, if you want to save 150 bucks on a brand new custom-built PC, check out dark fusion systems and mention Bucket bites. So everybody out there. Thank you so much for hanging out. We'll check you later. Goodbye. Subscribe to suggestive gaming. Oh yeah, and also suggestive gaming because he's cool too. I feel banks Well, I never do the nuclear coffee bid either. Nuclear coffee WIcom. There you go, there you go, perfect.